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Bill: Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberaldemokratische Allianz
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3799
Description[?]:
| Be it enacted upon the Emperor's most Illustrious and Lutheran Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the representatives of the people of Greater Hulstria, in this present Imperial Diet assembled: An Act to amend local government in the Eastern Territories ARTICLE I - Short title and etc. 1) This Act may be cited as the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802. 2) This Act shall come into force immediately upon the approval of the Imperial Diet. 3) Unless otherwise stated "Colony", "Colonies", or "territories" refer to land administered by Greater Hulstria that are not directly represented in the Imperial Diet. 4) Unless otherwise stated "Colonial subject" refers to any inhabitant of a Colony of Greater Hulstria. 5) Unless otherwise stated "His Majesty's Government" refers to the constitutional government of the Imperial Crownlands of Greater Hulstria. 6) Unless otherwise stated "Eastern Territories" shall mean all colonies and teritores administered by Greater Hulstrian that are not directly represented in the Imperial Diet. 7) Unless otherwise stated "Colonial Affairs Act" refers to the Colonial Affairs Act, 2694. ARTICLE II - Priority of this Act 1) Article II, Sections 1, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9 of the Colonial Affairs Act shall be superceded by this Act. ARTICLE III - Imperial Commissioner 1) There shall be an Imperial Commissioner of the Eastern Territories to administer the Colonies. The Imperial Commissioner shall serve at the pleasure of His Majesty and His Majesty's Government, though no individual may serve for a period longer than ten years. 2) The Governor-General and Staatsminister shall nominate a candidate to serve as Imperial Commissioner to the Imperial Diet. The candidate shall only take office by majority vote of the Imperial Diet. 3) The Emperor may withhold royal assent of the designated Imperial Commissioner. 4) Should the Imperial Diet fail to approve two consecutive candidates, the Emperor may appoint an Imperial Commissioner. An Imperial Commissioner appointed in this way shall serve for no longer than five years. 5) The Imperial Diet may, by majority vote, reject an appointment made by the Emperor. 6) The Imperial Diet may, by 2/3rds vote, withdraw the commission of an Imperial Commissioner approved by the Imperial Diet. 7) The Imperial Diet may, by majority vote, withdraw the commission of an Imperial Commissioner appointed by the Emperor. 8) During any period when the Imperial Commissioner's office is vacant, or the Imperial Commissioner is prevented from performing the duties of office, the Minister of Internal Affairs and Imperial Superintendent of Police for the Eastern Territories shall jointly exercise all powers and authority of that office. ARTICLE IV - Colonial Government 1) Sections 3, 4, 5, 6, and 9 of the Colonial Affairs Act shall be superceded by this Act. 2) The Colonies shall be divided into eight separate Districts to be titled Regierungsbezirk. Each of whom shall have a Chief Administrator appointed by the Imperial Commissioner to govern the affairs of that District. 3) The Chief Administrators shall take directives from the Imperial Commissioner and His Majesty's Government on how to exercise authority in the District. 4) There shall be a Representative Assembly to advise the Imperial Commissioner on the proper administration of the Colonies. 5) The Representative Assembly shall consist of forty members, five from each District, elected by those Colonial subjects entitled to vote, as provided for in this Act. 6) Elected Members of the Representative Assembly must make an oath swearing or affirming loyalty to His Imperial Majesty and His Majesty's Government before they may take up their seats in the Representative Assembly. 7) Only Colonial subjects who have attained the age of eighteen years and who have not been convicted of treason or serious felony may be entitled to vote. 8) There shall be Courts established in each District, headed by a Chief Magistrate appointed by the Imperial Commissioner, to ensure that justice is properly dispensed and that the laws are enforced. ARTICLE V - Regierungsbezirks 1) The Ministry of Internal Affairs shall provide to the Imperial Diet, Emperor, and His Majesty's Government an official map of the Eastern Territories divided into eight Regierungsbezirks. 2) The names of the districts shall be - Heinrich der Große; Nord-Carina; Märtyrerland; Große Krähenfuß; Wildschweingebiet; Histap Längstal; Fernost Hulster; Ost-Berge 3) The Imperial Diet may, by majority vote, designate a capital city for each district. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:14:32, August 13, 2009 CET | From |  Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | Last brought to vote nearly 30 years ago. |
| Date | 08:33:48, August 13, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | Still a bit fishy on Article III, Section 8. The IA Minister nowhere has any say in the ET appointment process but if the post is ever vacant they get to fill in, even if it is jointly. I'd rather see a joint operated command if a IC dies or another extreme happens to him/her and the Imperial Superintendent fill in when in just transition from an old IC to a new IC instead of it being jointly-operated everytime there is a vacancy when voting is going on. |
| Date | 08:43:05, August 13, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | Under the Colonial Affairs Act, the Minister of Internal Affairs has substantial participation in internal migration between the ET and the Crownlands and the IA Ministry oversees and finances the Imperial Police Service. The IA Minister is the appointing authority for the Imperial Superintendent. The argument against ImpSuper only-exercise of power is that the qualities and abilities of a person chosen to lead a police force will not necessarily be the same as those qualities and abilities necessary to administer a region larger than any actual nation in Terra. The Minister of Internal Affairs, conceivably, would have the skills; while the ImpSuper would have more specialized knowledge of the Eastern Territories. Paired together the two could probably run the Territories indefinitely.* |
| Date | 09:19:56, August 13, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | Then in the case of a vacancy of an Imperial Commissioner because the Imperial Diet is voting on a new one, the section in question could be changed to that the Superintendent can act in as the ceremonial Imperial Commissioner that would wield enough power to smooth through a transition. I'm not against the joint-command deal when the Imperial Commissioner is out of action because of an unfortunate event but such an operation that would give a domestic government Ministry that load of power when we're going through a transition stage to vote in a new IC isn't needed. Only in major circumstances should a joint-command be instituted. I have no problem with the rest of the bill, this is the only concern I have in it. |
| Date | 09:32:01, August 13, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | The Internal Affairs Minister and.or the Governor-General (or) both could act as ceremonial supervisers when in a voting transition stage to maintain checks and balances with the Superintendent whom of which isn't an elected figure. That way it would basically keep what you origianlly put in there while keeping one Ministry gaining a substantial amount of power after a colonial empire. Does this sound like a reasonable proposal to the CLA? |
| Date | 09:43:55, August 13, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | A "ceremonial" supervisor is meaningless, but I think you're just falling into a semantic trap. Here's what I think you mean - during a time of transition the Imperial Superintendent becomes Acting Imperial Commissioner under the supervision of the Minister of Internal Affairs. The Minister would be supervising the ImpSuper anyway since the police are under the aegis of the IA Ministry. That sound right? |
| Date | 09:48:17, August 13, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | Draft - 8) During any period when the Imperial Commissioner's office is permanently vacant, the Imperial Superintendent of Police for the Eastern Territories shall peform the duties of Imperial Commissioner in the capacity of Acting Imperial Commissioner. The Minister of Internal Affairs shall supervise the Imperial Superintendent during the performance of such duties. 9) During any period when the Imperial Commissioner is temporarily prevented from performing the duties of office, the Minister of Internal Affairs and Imperial Superintendent shall jointly exercise all powers and authority of that office. |
| Date | 09:53:44, August 13, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | Yes. Though the Internal Affairs Minister will be supervising his responsibilities at the post of Imperial Commissioner which has completely separate duties of that of Superintendent; this would avoid a joint-command during a voting transition though would keep an elected official maintaining checks and balances from an orderly distance. That was just a proposal, that was not a final do or end all from me. |
| Date | 10:43:42, August 13, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | My last message was not a response to your draft proposal, it was to your other one. Though this post is about your draft proposal; Again same problem, there should only be a joint-command under serious circumstances where the IC is "permanently vacant" from his post. Having a joint-command over the entire colonies because of new IC voting isn't needed. Here is what I propose (mainly constructed from yours with a few new details and note I reversed the permanently and temporarily vacant parts in the articles) 8) During any period when the Imperial Commissioner's office is temporarily vacant due to a transition to a new Imperial Commissioner, the Imperial Superintendent of Police for the Eastern Territories shall peform the duties of Imperial Commissioner in the capacity of Acting Imperial Commissioner. The Minister of Internal Affairs shall supervise the Imperial Superintendent during the performance of such duties. 9) During any period when the Imperial Commissioner is permanently prevented from performing the duties of office due to death, serious illness, or injury, the Minister of Internal Affairs and Imperial Superintendent shall jointly exercise all powers and authority of that office. |
| Date | 21:26:22, August 14, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | Again it seems like we have a misunderstanding. Explaining my draft - Section 8 = Permanent vacancy is the period between Imperial Commissioners, when there is no serving Imperial Commissioner. During that time the duties are exercised by the ImpSup while being supervised by the IA Minister. Section 9 = Temporary vacancy ("temporarily prevented from performing the duties of office") is when the appointed Imperial Commissioner is unable to perform the duties of the office, but is still legally the IC. The office is jointly exercised by the ImpSup and IA Minister. |
| Date | 22:09:27, August 14, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | Well, I hope I'm not making you angry; your wording is just a bit confusing and I revised it to include a tad bit more detail to what I thought it meant or should be Then I propose you include the definition of temporarily and permanently is in this resolution (what you just told me). That should be included in the final draft to clear up any conclusion and to properly detail who does what when. Once that is done, put it vote or if you want we can wait another 40 years to pass this :). |
| Date | 04:02:46, August 23, 2009 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Eastern Territories Reorganization Act, 2802 |
| Message | You know, I was kidding about the 40 years part. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 640 | |
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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