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Bill: Gambling Regulation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Workers Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2804
Description[?]:
| gambling is simply the most exploitative form of capitalism and must not be allowed to continue on an industrial scale, as is the case in casinos. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to gamble.
Old value:: Gambling is legal across the nation, no regulation whatsoever.
Current: Gambling is illegal unless taking place in a licensed casino.
Proposed: Only small-scale gambling is allowed, involving limited amounts of money; casinos are illegal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:02:11, August 13, 2009 CET | From |  Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Gambling Regulation |
| Message | HLJs Party once again find this will be bad for the economy and is against this. Besides we don't oppose capitalism. We ask support from the UPF party to go against this bill and the one banning the stock market. |
| Date | 12:06:40, August 14, 2009 CET | From | United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Gambling Regulation |
| Message | We agree with the HJP here as well. An element of freedom must be allowed in the economy, if you ever want profit, ever want jobs, ever want chances in life. So we will oppose this bill. |
| Date | 15:15:11, August 14, 2009 CET | From | Democratic Workers Union | To | Debating the Gambling Regulation |
| Message | your opposing this bill on the grounds that people will be disadvantaged by NOT gambling away their life savings? I must thank you guys, this will keep me laughing for the whole day. but seriously, how you possibly think people sitting infront of fruit machines, which ARE RIGGGED (I've heard there is a dial on the back to alter the 'chances' of winning... don't know how badly 'rigged' so you can catch me out there), is 'good for the economy'? you might as well turn banks into places where you deposit money with no expectation of getting it back! (that's less absurd than I was hoping for... but you get my point perhaps) pretending for a moment that I am a 'capitalist'? surely you'd much want people to go out and buy shoes, computers, electronics- something people actually make! becuase that would employ more people than having heavily built men patrolling the basement of some vegas casino? the level of exploitation involved in gambling simply 'robs' people of their money and produces nothing but neon lights and poker tables! |
| Date | 19:33:22, August 14, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Gambling Regulation |
| Message | The members of his party must stay at home Friday nights making signs labeled "No Fun Allowed." I enjoy myself in card games and the wonders Consistently going on your crusade ignoring those around you will not get your party far. Understand that your conspiracies are nothing short of wild conspiracy theories. Let me quote the previous speaker for a second. "I've heard there is a dial on the back to alter the 'chances' of winning... don't know how badly 'rigged' so you can catch me out there" The previous speaker even admits to his or her own fault. You've HEARD. Don't know how BADLY? Our casinos are properly taxed and if you are truly concerned about the proletariat you should realize that for many of these people they depend on the casinos for their jobs. A family cannot support itself with an employer and to charge them of doing such a crime as being able to make a living you are no longer standing up for your people, you are working directly against them. Keep laughing SWU, but if your going to continue this way you will get nowhere. |
| Date | 22:11:49, August 14, 2009 CET | From | United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Gambling Regulation |
| Message | -UPF members applaude the HJP- Very well done, very well. You know, I think that Mr Garcon was right, I like these people. |
| Date | 11:39:45, August 17, 2009 CET | From | Democratic Workers Union | To | Debating the Gambling Regulation |
| Message | "Our casinos are properly taxed and if you are truly concerned about the proletariat you should realize that for many of these people they depend on the casinos for their jobs. A family cannot support itself with an employer and to charge them of doing such a crime as being able to make a living you are no longer standing up for your people, you are working directly against them." being dependent on a job and an employer is what we in the SWU call wage slavery. simply put- 'he who does not work, neither shall he eat'. it is a great insult to the workers to assume that they cannot operate without being exploited and need to be dependent on an employer, and in addition assuming that they must participate in exploitation of this kind. just because slave owners got paid, does not distract from how they are obtaining it. it is deeply immoral and unnessacary; a capitalist system, if it is truely progressive will work to innovate, rather than simply intensify the level of exploitation of the workers, whether that is through higher prices, lower wages, cheap labour in public works, forced labour through military and civillian service, or convincing workers that by risking everything they own, they can achieve 'prosperity'. the SWU is neither fooled or convinced by your arguements, but our sense of humour is much enriched by it. for this we are very greatful... (to clarify our position, )the proletariat must first of all become it's own employer by abolishing private property and wage slavery, and take direct democratic control of the means of production through the democratic workers councils. but until such time as socialist conscioussness is sufficently developed and the proletariat has organised itself for revolution, we must work to limit the scale and intensity of the exploitation and ensure the democratic rights of the workers to organise and to breakdown in hysterics at our ruling classes continuing pursuit of just and free enslavement. |
| Date | 17:26:34, August 17, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Gambling Regulation |
| Message | As part of signing the Emancipation treaty Saridani has been free of slavery for centuries now. Signing the new one, that your party agree with, ensures that we are united with the world in such a treaty. You use the word slave without even understand what that word means and you use the word capitalist system without understand what that means. We've opened up a democratic workers union (as much as we at HLJs think it is a regret) just recently, which means your proposal already exist for those that wish to have it. If you wish to enforce this on people we are no longer living in a free nation and your party no long means to free people, it's set to control their lives and bring them under a harsh dictator that enforces them to do labor for no reward. Thats not freedom, that's slavery, and goes exactly against your support of the Emancipation Treaty. Once again to ensure our people are free and allowed to make a living for their family and lives you will be voted down every time. |
| Date | 13:28:03, August 18, 2009 CET | From | Democratic Workers Union | To | Debating the Gambling Regulation |
| Message | [please forgive the strange formatting, but my internet lost connection whilst I was typing] 1. slavery is a system of forced labour. does not the threat of starvation force people to work? does not the threat of social ridicule and prejudice against \'unemployment\' and \'people on benifits\' compell people to work? does not the slander of the press shame those who have lost their jobs because the capitalists have failed to control their debts?\r\n\r\nsimply because slavery as a legel insitution (with the exception of military and civillian service) has been \'abolished\', does not mean that non-state methods of economic and ideological compulsion do not apply.\r\n\r\nthe SWU is against both the insitution of slavery as a weapon of the capitalist state and of the private economy. for this, all citizens must be free of exploitation and gaurenteed a high standard of living to meet not only their material, but also their social and cultural needs (education, health care, internet access, public transport etc.) 2. a democratic workers council can exist under capitalism, but is under constant threat from the desire for principled (utopian socialist, liberal) or unprincipled or forced (fascist) collaboration with the ruling class. \r\n\r\na Liberal will speak of \'free will\' without ever considering that inorder to obtain a goal, an indivdiual must have the means, tools, or \'capital\' to obtain a goal- or simply needs \'free time\'. no matter how much debate may go on within those councils (good schooling for democracy not doubt), they still do not have the power to take control of those means. a workers democracy cannot endure without social ownership\r\n\r\nif freedom is reduced to an abstract conception of \'free will\', it only disguises the power of the few who own the means of production. you may equally accuse a stalinist/socialist of the same thing for the few that control the means of production (through centralised economic planning and a one-party state). \r\nbut combine social ownership and (direct) democratic control of the means of production and you can overcome both. but each one on their own is vulnerable either to capitalism or bureaucracy... \r\n\r\n[for clarification, I would like to know what you understand by \'capitalism\' so that we do not mutally dismiss our policies over potential small misunderstandings.\r\n(marxist definition of Capitalism: Private Ownership of the means of production, Market system of transactions, profit motive, Wage payment (in general). \r\nthe intervention of the state, (which is centralised, thereforce exclusive and subject to private influences), may intervene in the economy, but it is always an instrument of the \'capitalists\', before it is abolished and replaced with a direct democracy (which is not exclsive and therefore open to the working class, and possibly even the former ruling class (if they don\'t attempt a coup)]. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 750 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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