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Bill: Justice Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Farmers' Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2130
Description[?]:
| Some amendments to the nation's law, order and justice. We, again, suggest the Farmers' Party's allies support this bill. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Proposed: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The terms of extradition.
Old value:: Extradition to nations with capital punishment or with cruel or inhumane treatment of suspects and convicts is not allowed.
Current: Extradition to nations that practice cruel or inhumane treatment of suspects or in punishment is not allowed.
Proposed: The law does not limit the power of the government to pursue extradition treaties.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons.
Current: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Proposed: Police officers carry military-grade equipment.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 07:01:35, October 23, 2005 CET | From | Anarchist-Communist League | To | Debating the Justice Bill |
| Message | Implementing the provisions of this bill would be committing a crime, not preventing crime. |
| Date | 11:00:41, October 23, 2005 CET | From | National Farmers' Party | To | Debating the Justice Bill |
| Message | Crimes by whose standards? These policies will deter crime. |
| Date | 02:00:09, October 24, 2005 CET | From | NeoSocialist Party | To | Debating the Justice Bill |
| Message | Yeah of course, killing and torturing "deters" crime by committing more. And you want to give policemen tanks and bazookas to capture pickpockets? |
| Date | 02:43:58, October 24, 2005 CET | From | National Farmers' Party | To | Debating the Justice Bill |
| Message | The soft approach has failed in all countries which has adopted it. Deterrent is the best combat of crime. If policemen need tanks, AK-47's and RPG's to fight those who threaten democracy and citizens of the state, why not? |
| Date | 17:57:37, October 24, 2005 CET | From | Tudeh Party of Quanzar | To | Debating the Justice Bill |
| Message | Tanks? Good god, man. Tanks are for the military, not the civil. |
| Date | 23:03:50, October 24, 2005 CET | From | National Farmers' Party | To | Debating the Justice Bill |
| Message | Why do they have to be restricted to just the military? Mobilisation of the armed forces takes time and costs more money. Obviously, it's not practical for police to drive around town in a tank, however, it's practical and logical for them to use tanks and military grade weapons for riots etc. I'll vote against my own bill if someone can give me a valid reason why military equipment should only be restricted to the armed forcers. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 156 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 245 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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