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Bill: Compulsory National Service
Details
Submitted by[?]: Königs Reichspartei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2808
Description[?]:
| In an effort to keep troublesome youth from the streets, develop a rounded population, be prepared for a potential invasion, fight unemployment and maintain the conservative tradition of our Imperial ways. Vote YES for this Bill |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military, but can shorten their term/forego it completely by paying a certain amount of money.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:09:06, August 23, 2009 CET | From |  Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | You make a good case there IMP! Good to see you in Hulstria! |
| Date | 18:11:22, August 23, 2009 CET | From | Nationale Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | This proposal is nothing but corruption, and it favors the rich for those not wanting to do the national service. Meanwhile, the other two class groups are left in the service not being able to buy their way out. |
| Date | 22:03:40, August 23, 2009 CET | From | Königs Reichspartei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | Corruption or economic stimulation? ICGH's economy has no where to go but up if this bill is ratified. Furthermore, I agree this bill favors the wealthy, but why shouldn't it? The wealthy are the hard working and intelligent in this nation and this bill is only condoning this. Your argument (NDU) lacks substance, this bill is a perfect way to deal with the issues listed in the description and you don't seem to criticize the benefits. Please, all Parties, don't evaluate this bill as right or left thus making arrogant opinions, but a significant benefit for this nation. |
| Date | 22:55:18, August 23, 2009 CET | From | Nationale Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | I don't see what military service has to do with economic stimulation. We don't disagree that the wealthy are, for the most part, hard-working and intelligent, but, it doesn't mean that we as a government should make people pay up to get out of a mandatory gov't program. That is corruption. And what is with this urging of parties not to see this bill as left or right, who has even done this? |
| Date | 23:57:41, August 23, 2009 CET | From | Königs Reichspartei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | It's not mandatory or corruption if counter measures are written in our legislation; we are merely condoning high income earners. Not to mention the lower income workers would be better suited for the military. Paying the government a set price (which I gather to be particularly large), will improve* the economy (my apologies stimulation was the wrong word) as the government will have more money. Please use some diversity in your argument what are your views on the legislation: keeping troublesome youth from the streets, develop a rounded population, be prepared for a potential invasion, fight unemployment and maintain the conservative tradition of our Imperial ways? |
| Date | 01:40:03, August 24, 2009 CET | From | Nationale Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | We'd rather see a military of willing volunteers than unwilling conscripts. And if you think the lower class is better off for the military, then who will work as service workers (plumbers, electricians, etc.), manufacturers, and other positions. And, the government doesn't need to be payed anymore than it already is. We have a good surplus of money. The income tax covers the government's budget. Lastly, don't lecture me on how to argue my views on this legislation. I've made my points and I don't need to go off about some other issues that don't concern mandatory service. |
| Date | 01:57:23, August 24, 2009 CET | From | Königs Reichspartei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | I don't see it as conscription, but preparation. These "conscripts" are not in any life threatening danger as we are not at war, they are only going through military training. If we were ever to be attacked and we don't initiate this legislation, we would be in a very precarious position. One term in the military is at maximum a year (usually a few months on average) and it is most definitely part time. Therefore society will still function as the lower class continue working. So the NDU is against a larger surplus of money? A larger surplus of money can result in a contraction of the socio-economic gap and I am sure the NDU having such Socialist views, would support this. Initiating national service will positively influence those issues I brought up, so they are relevant. |
| Date | 03:49:29, August 24, 2009 CET | From | Nationale Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | Preparation!? Hulstria doesn't need to prepare for war, there isn't even a present threat to justify a preparation. And, we're not socialist. And we're against a larger surplus because we don't need it. The extra wealth should go to the people, not to a government vault. |
| Date | 03:56:38, August 24, 2009 CET | From | Königs Reichspartei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | But what if there was! We cannot take the risk, plus it is a deterrent to nations considering to bully us economically or militarily. "And, we're not socialist... The extra wealth should go to the people, not to a government vault." Contradiction? Did you read what I said? I said the funds could go to contracting the socio-economic gap, not keeping it in the "government vault". |
| Date | 03:58:44, August 24, 2009 CET | From | Liberaldemokratische Allianz | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | There is no reason to reinstate the peacetime draft. |
| Date | 04:11:52, August 24, 2009 CET | From | Nationale Demokratische Union | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | There is no contradiction in our statement. We don't believe in wealth redistribution and similar socialist policies. We believe in letting the people keep their money and giving tax cuts to all, etc., etc. |
| Date | 05:14:45, August 24, 2009 CET | From | Königs Reichspartei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | *Clap Clap Clap* Thank you for your vigorous argument CLA. We are not forcing the people to pay money we are giving them the option to if they don't want to partake in national service. |
| Date | 09:10:37, August 24, 2009 CET | From | Kolonial Partei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | It's not really a choice when they have to pay a certain amount (which some may not be able to pay) in order to get out of it. Large militaries only invite war. |
| Date | 09:07:42, August 26, 2009 CET | From | Königs Reichspartei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | NP, you dont understand the legislation |
| Date | 09:58:28, August 26, 2009 CET | From | Kaiserlich Partei | To | Debating the Compulsory National Service |
| Message | I with the original members bill in its original form. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 284 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 441 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: "Treaty-locking", or ratifiying treaties that completely or nearly completely forbid any proposals to change laws, is not allowed. Amongst other possible sanctions, Moderation reserves the discretion to delete treaties and/or subject parties to a seat reset if this is necessary in order to reverse a treaty-lock situation. |
| Random quote: "If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin." - Charles Darwin |