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Bill: Women not for sale
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sosialistisk Venstreparti
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2815
Description[?]:
| We consider prostitution by its very nature to be harmful, exploitative and a form of patriarchal violence against women. Therefore: 1. The purchase of sex must be criminalised with the punishment a fine or prison sentence of up to 6 months 2. Prostitutes themselves should not be punished but instead treated as victims deserving of help and support 3. Resources and funding must be made available to projects aimed at helping women to escape from the sex industry. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right for a person to prostitute himself or herself.
Old value:: Prostitution is legal but not recognized under government employment regulation policy.
Current: Prostitution is legal and a recognized profession.
Proposed: Prostitution is illegal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:26:47, September 09, 2009 CET | From |  Det Kazulianske Arbeiderparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | Can you tell me one country who had succsess with this? We will vote no! |
| Date | 22:33:55, September 09, 2009 CET | From | Sosialistisk Venstreparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | Sweden has had some success with it. And in Oslo also prostitution is down quite a lot since the law was introduced. The reason why it's not worked better is that they haven't provided enough support for women who want to leave prostitution. |
| Date | 22:37:15, September 09, 2009 CET | From | Sosialistisk Venstreparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | It's also now known as the 'Nordic model' and since we're called the Nordic Republic of Kazulia... |
| Date | 22:44:43, September 09, 2009 CET | From | Det Kazulianske Arbeiderparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | Let me ask this. Have you beein in Oslo lately? The prostitutes themself say they get beaten, its more underground, they got treated like animals and have less freedom. I am suprised that SV(in this game tho) will make it harder for the prostitutes to get help. Every sign is that the prostitutes have it much harder now than before. The only prostitutes doing good is the ones who does this freely because they can charge higher prices. |
| Date | 22:52:09, September 09, 2009 CET | From | Sosialistisk Venstreparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | I was in Oslo a few months ago - and didn't see any evidence of prostitution (although I wasn't actually in the city at night). I have read some articles saying that things have got more difficult. But I'm in agreement with Kvinnegruppa Ottar's response to this: http://kvinnegruppa-ottar.no/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=474&Itemid=1 Groups like Prosenteret are wrong when they simply talk about making prostitution safer instead of abolishing it. |
| Date | 22:56:15, September 09, 2009 CET | From | Sosialistisk Venstreparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | Also here: http://kvinnegruppa-ottar.no/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=476&Itemid=1 |
| Date | 22:57:02, September 09, 2009 CET | From | Sosialistisk Venstreparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | http://kvinnegruppa-ottar.no/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=468&Itemid=1 |
| Date | 23:24:53, September 09, 2009 CET | From | Det Kazulianske Arbeiderparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | Kvinne gruppa ottar is a feminist group and have feminist interessts. Pro senteret actully works with prostitutes and have years of experience with prostitutions. Prostitution will never disappear and will always excist. Protect the prostitutes by legalising it. |
| Date | 23:27:33, September 09, 2009 CET | From | Det Kazulianske Arbeiderparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | Its like drugs, they will never go away. Look at the war on drugs in America how bad that turned. We need to think new and if prostitution is legal we can easier see who is behind it, who is bringing them in and such and then take them down. Now we will walk in blindness because it will become a market that is invisible since it is indoors. And if you are against phonetapping and missuse of citizents privacy its gonna get hard to get the criminals when its illegal and inndoors |
| Date | 00:03:19, September 10, 2009 CET | From | Sosialistisk Venstreparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | I don't agree that prostitution can never go away. It is a symptom of a certain type of society (a capitalist, male-dominated one) and if our society changes then it can indeed disappear. There has been a big reduction in prostitution in Sweden over the last 10 years with less men willing to pay for sex and society seeing it more negatively now because of the law. It's also about tackling the causes of prostitution such as poverty and drug abuse and helping people leave. If the state takes account of all these things then we can do a lot to minimise the scale of the sex industry. |
| Date | 00:17:05, September 10, 2009 CET | From | Det Kazulianske Arbeiderparti | To | Debating the Women not for sale |
| Message | I think you should read some of the morals of Adam Smith before you go out and call it "capitalst male dominated". The other thing is that its the Mafia wich control the prostition marked. They have the money and the power to continue this as the long they want as the same with drugs. If we legalizes it and follow up every prostitute that is selling in public we could take alot of mobsters down. Now we have to lurk, spy, phone tap such and such to take them. Its a waste of resources. Its better to use those resources to get them out of the prostitution marked when we actully can litelary walk down the street and confront and speak to them. Now we dont know who is a prostitute or not. Who is the man behind it? Who picks up the money she makes? If its legal its much easier to find out. I agree with the moral you have behind it but its like when the swedes say they have less problem with prostitution its like the same they say with drugs. I myself smoke cannabis, when i go to sweden who claims they have nearly no drug use i can see their lies. When you talk to swedes or go around here you see that drug use is just as normal there as in norway. but its more underground. The same goes for prostitution. I seriosly have this offer for you. Next time your in Norway, send me a mail and i will guide you trough the so called preventive politics on drugs and prostitution and show you its all a scam. Its everywhere. Prostitution in norway is now more underground and they are crying out for help because they get burn labeled(burned a label to the skin) and getting beaten up, raped by customers and the list is preatty big. When feminist groups like Ottar who DONT work with prostitutes and have NO contact with them have the power to make it illegal its insane! I think you should talk to a prostitute if you see one on the streets(not a african but for you a english one or in norway a norwegian one) and ask yourself what they think. They are the victims and they dont want it illegal. Ottar say they support the prostitutes but the prostitutes dont agree with Ottar, what does that tell you? And prosenteret ARE working to make the lives of the prostitutes better. If you have really readed the law in norway it should make you gigle because it doesnt help them more at all. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 291 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 246 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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