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Bill: Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Dynamist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2133
Description[?]:
| This bill would decriminalise the conscienctious absence from employment for workers in related areas. The objecting worker must eithr be working in the same sector as the suffering worker(s) or employed by a company on which the suffering worker(s)' employer-company depends, in order to qualify for this exemption from prosecution. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Secondary strike action.
Old value:: Secondary strike action is illegal. Workers and unions can only go on strike for their own pay and conditions.
Current: Secondary strike action is illegal. Workers and unions can only go on strike for their own pay and conditions.
Proposed: Only closely related trade unions can walk out on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:36:40, October 25, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | We oppose. There should be no secondary strikes whatsoever. This will most definitely bring any particulary industry to the ground. Once again, the socialists don't realize the cost of bill before proposing them. |
| Date | 23:43:45, October 25, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | This will bring no industry to the ground if no strikes are called, and no strikes will be called if employers act responsibly. |
| Date | 00:41:05, October 26, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | Well what do you consider responsibly? We shall oppose this measure because there will always be strikes and we won't tolerate it. |
| Date | 10:16:32, October 26, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | Firstly, as you recall, trade unions must operate on a democratic basis. Secondly, if employers keep their exploitation rates low and take a little care not to make working environments dangerous or unhealthy, then there's little reason to strike. |
| Date | 18:12:58, October 26, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | Some environments are unhealthy and there really is nothing you can do about it. There's always going to be something that comes up. No matter what the bosses do, the workers will want more. Before long, the bosses will fight back. What will you do when they do? |
| Date | 00:58:38, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | Firstly, we protest the claim ' There's always going to be something that comes up'. Unions have always voiced concern, yes and have occasionally resorted to calling strikes, yes. But that is because companies have always worked for profit and without consideration to the damage done to people's lives, and the iniquity imposed by the economic system as a whole. Their concerns have almost never been met with solutions. If bosses are unwilling to pay a fair wage for an honest day's work, then, to be honest, they should not be operating, and it is certainly not our place to arrest those who protest against such treatment. Secondly, our reaction would depends on what the bosses do that constitutes 'fighting back'. If that means more sponsorship of the RiP, for example, then we'll try to weather the effects as we have always done. |
| Date | 18:51:16, October 27, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | WIth that comment, we shall oppose this measure. |
| Date | 10:08:19, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | Given that there was no chance of RiP support, we are not too concerned. Are there any other objections, amendments, etc? |
| Date | 23:59:49, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | No objections here. |
| Date | 05:39:51, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | As I said, the Socialists do not count the costs before attempting to pass laws that will be detremental to the well being of our fair nation. I have just been proven right by the SDP's comments. Members of the Council, I am urging you to vote against this measure. This measure will allow for strikes in the same industry by various companies and that will not bode well for our economy. |
| Date | 12:22:02, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | While the PP and RiP talk of the economy and the nation, we implore the Council to think of the rights of the people in that economy, the citizens of that nation, whom we are here to defend. If this measure does damage the economy, that will only be because the economy is grossly unfair, and we firmly believe that the fair treatment of ordinary tribesmen is more important than the dealings of the economic elite. We can only hope that this sentiment is shared by our colleagues on the Council. |
| Date | 14:31:32, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | The SDP is trying to brainwash us all forgetting the fact that if people strike, they are only hurting themselves. There won't get paid to feed their children, put a roof over their heads, or even keep the lights on. Think for a second. I would rather have a job that keeps food on the table and a roof over my head than be out on a picket line. If a business I worked at struck, I would tell the Union to shove it and still go to work because I know what is more important. My Family. |
| Date | 15:16:08, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | Well, that is and will remain your right. This bill will not affect that, but will allow those people who happen not to share your view to object without being arrested. |
| Date | 17:44:54, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Inactive | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | We support private property- but not extremeness. The Catholic Church will help feeed the familys of those on strike. |
| Date | 13:12:59, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | I did a little investigating and apparently, we have a couple of flip-floppers in here. Both the Catholic Party AND the United Farmers of Tukarali both voted TO MAKE secondary strikes illegal. Now they have decided to vote for this bill. I would like to know why! Proof that they did vote for it: http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=23654 |
| Date | 15:46:46, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Social Dynamist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | This does not entirely reverse that measure. and is in fact a compromise. The UFT, for example, may not want one farmer's mistreatement to result only in one farmer's protest, but (say) would prefer Bofun to organise a strike across the tribe to stand up for the iondividual's rights without fear of arrest. |
| Date | 18:30:53, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | Sorry but it really does reverse the measure. It was the way you are proposing now before we issued the ban on secondary strikes. |
| Date | 06:25:05, October 31, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Civil and Economic Rights Bill, 2131 |
| Message | There goes the economy. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 147 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 106 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 46 |
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