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Bill: Pension Plan Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Democrats
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2835
Description[?]:
| The people of Rutania should, if they choice to use it, have the support from the government in preparing themselves financially for the future. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:55:55, October 17, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Elitist Party | To | Debating the Pension Plan Bill |
| Message | Though with serious reservations but this proposal is also acceptable to us on the basis of the argument mentioned in relation with the national health care system. |
| Date | 07:00:45, October 18, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Restoration Party | To | Debating the Pension Plan Bill |
| Message | This is good legislation. If the people so choose, then they have the option. Keyword here: option. As long as the pension retains its own separate budget, funded only by those paying into it, then will we support this bill. Also, we propose an amendment to this bill, the Senate cannot remove money from the public pension for any purpose. Period. This is the people's money for their future, not the government's. |
| Date | 11:18:51, October 18, 2009 CET | From | Rutanian Heritage Party | To | Debating the Pension Plan Bill |
| Message | The DPR state the people 'should' have the support of a fully tax-payer funded retirement, but they offer no reason or justification for why this 'should' be the case. People have no inherent or fundamental right to live off the forced givings of others, and they have no inherent or fundamental obligation to surrender a portion of their income every year for the welfare of others - this is not a given, and should not be taken for granted as the DPR seem to imply. The vague notion that the people 'should' be given a State-funded pension is not only unjustifiable but extremely problematic for the personal responsibility, incentive and initiative of the Rutanian citizens, and would demand an insurmountable amount of tax-payer funding to realize. |
| Date | 20:44:02, October 18, 2009 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party | To | Debating the Pension Plan Bill |
| Message | We have proposed this bill before so obviously support. Please not that the Elitist Party voted against this bill. They seem to have lost all ideological focus. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 189 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 116 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Information about the population of each country can be found on the Population Information thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8663 |
| Random quote: "Poverty is like punishment for a crime you didn't commit." - Eli Khamarov |