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Bill: Official Languages
Details
Submitted by[?]: Verititas Splendor Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2841
Description[?]:
| We, the VSP, propose the following in regards to official languages of Pontesi: Article 1: English is respected as an official language, spoken in the country and a language in which official documents are published Article 2: Gaelic is respected as an official language, spoken in the country and a language in which official documents are published Article 3: Latin is regarded as an official language, used primarily for the national motto, and as a language of publication of official documents. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:20:33, October 31, 2009 CET | From |  Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC: Short of how this just ruined the game, I have nothing else to said. Pntek is the official language. |
| Date | 06:20:51, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Optimate Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | English and Latin I understand, but why Gaelic? I would prefer English (for the sake of convenience), Latin, and Greek. |
| Date | 06:21:55, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC Pntek isn't the official language according to the wiki, it seems that you weren't as busy as you bemoan. |
| Date | 06:25:36, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC: Check history, the last time I update it is on July 1, 2009 and Pntek is our second official language. http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1598 |
| Date | 06:28:34, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC: And Cricket is official sport for history, what's your excuse for changing them to something that is unknown like Taekwando? |
| Date | 06:29:03, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC still not listed in the history of Pontesi on the wiki. Not that it'll matter should this be passed in the first place. |
| Date | 06:31:34, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC The national sport has been changed along with the philosophy of this country, (interventionalist to non-interventionalist, etc.). Keeping cricket as a national sport for the mere reason that it was hear is not a good enough reason, in fact, any argument hinging on the fact that it was here first is a genetic fallacy. |
| Date | 06:46:46, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Nrzi Prta (Democratic Party) | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC: Wiki is not yet finished, and it won't be for sometime since nobody is doing it. And interventionalist to non-interventionalist have nothing to do with cricket, you're just failing to make any sense. |
| Date | 06:52:33, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC the connection is a change from one thing to another as time passes. The nation changed its views in regards to interventionalism and it can change its views in regards to a national pass-time. |
| Date | 06:58:09, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC "Wiki is not yet finished, and it won't be for sometime " OOC This is very true, there will be many revisions which will be in great need of attention. |
| Date | 07:23:42, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | Airson na gaidheal, 's docha bidh sinn abair math airson na gaidhlig, feumaidh sinn ag obair air seo airson na am againnsa. |
| Date | 15:10:29, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Brmékai Krsyiji Prta | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | "Brmekai krdaznyr utrmo grzy knsag'ad tekàmojetak, hrzy zykdrsmojetak Jelbekai, Pnte kültür frjofetak frjsrl, drzy Pntekai dof wrntuhiko 'jaríjofetak'. Tehe hye dernidnyr pntakmo knsag'ad grzy kai." The Barmenian people express their displeasure at the proposed change of language, which will divide the Jelbek peoples, burn to ash Pontesi's culture, and cause the Pontesian people to 'retire' their foolish leaders. It is not your right to dictate the language of the people. |
| Date | 15:31:00, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Loyalist Front (IA) | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC: We should create an oppisition force from the players around terra who oppose bullshit like this and return Pontesi to what we have known it to be for the last 500 years or so. |
| Date | 20:15:49, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Traditionalist Liberty Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | Too many official language bad |
| Date | 22:50:02, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | Then we shall propose to keep English as the publication text, and reserve Latin for mottos. Do we have the support if the other parties in regard to this amendment |
| Date | 23:06:07, October 31, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC: we are not dictating the language of the peoples in Pontesi, we are dictating the language we will use as the government to publish materials. also, in regard to the idea of forming an international coalition against parties who change RP legislation, you are welcome to do so. However, this strikes me as being much more heinous in terms of breaking the flow of the game. I say this because of the violation of a nation's self-governance. It also undermines the authority of parties who are able establish a supermajority, something that the game has invested as the highest power in a nation. It is perfectly fine for you to make a case for us to keep this as an official language, but it is not your place to try an coerce us into maintainging a language against our desires. |
| Date | 00:17:13, November 01, 2009 CET | From | Brmékai Krsyiji Prta | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | OOC: It's not really fair to answer IC objections OOCly, so I'm not going to answer your first point. Nobody is trying to coerce you to do anything, but everyone is entitled to express their opinion on what you are doing. If you want a good case not to scrap Pntek as an official language, then that's quite simple- you have absolutely no reason to get rid of it. As far as I'm aware, Pntek generally isn't used for bills, titles, party names etc. The fact that it is kept is because it is a well established part of Pontesian culture, stretching back further even than most people have even played the game, a stable aspect of Pontesi that most players who have played here have used. Getting rid of it, because you feel like it or because you can or simply because you don't like the Democrat Party, is taking a sledge hammer to dozens of peoples ideas for unexplained and likely unjustifiable reasons. As for a higher power being granted by the game, if you've seen some of the ideas people come up with when they have a supermajority you'd be slightly more doubtful of the wisdom of that power in the wrong hands. There's a reason people talk about introducing a cultural protocol, and it's precisely because of that higher power. As a sidenote though, the introduction of Gaelic would go down well with most people if it was done in a more fitting place. Cildania has a Celtic majority, which has never been used to their full potential and would benefit from a Gaelic speaker establishing a language, history and culture for them if that was something you'd be interested in doing. |
| Date | 02:23:53, November 01, 2009 CET | From | Verititas Splendor Party | To | Debating the Official Languages |
| Message | Bill closed and a amended version is in place. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 353 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 327 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 70 |
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