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Bill: Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Democratic Movement
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2846
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:45:55, November 10, 2009 CET | From |  United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | There we go, all ready for ratifying :) |
| Date | 22:32:19, November 10, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | You took our two requests and made them worse. Now other countries can restrict the free market of other nations, and if the country fights back to much they can threaten the country by kicking them out of the treaty. For instance another country could tell ours to make fireworks illegal according to the council and Saridani will be forced to or they will face a 3rd strike. Also you said we would not be paying for another countries military and I had you put it into a clause in the treaty. You took what i said and made sure that we would be paying for other countries military unless we voted out of it. |
| Date | 22:37:02, November 10, 2009 CET | From | United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | If you actually read the acts you will see that we are protected. ONE nation cannot restrict the market, a majority of the speakers would have to do so. If you look at the nations signing you will see that the majority are right wing like our own. I do pick wisely. |
| Date | 23:00:45, November 10, 2009 CET | From | Party One | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Party Onewill back it. We need 2/3 vote for this, and I think that is likely. Make no mistake: this treaty guarantees security for the Saridani people. I cannot make it any clearer than that. At the same time, we do loose our traditional neutrality. Change must occur in some cases, and for too long we Saridani have been isolated, under a false pretense that our reluctance to deal with the outside world would somehow protect us from it. Are we brave enough, as a nation, to embrace this future? I hope so. The benefits are great. The risk is very little. Take the opportunity to make history. Consul Brown |
| Date | 23:18:56, November 10, 2009 CET | From | United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Thank you for your backing Mr Brown. Following the passing of the charter, I would like to request that you, as the largest party, also back Mr David Henrie, our candidate for speaker. UDM |
| Date | 23:27:39, November 10, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | But if they do reach a majority they still can limit the market of other nations. They may mostly be right wing right now but there's no saying that in the future it could turn left wing. |
| Date | 23:31:15, November 10, 2009 CET | From | United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Yes they may. But then we could leave the League. Surely that would be exactly what you want in the first place? You want profits, this is how. You want defence, this is how. You want friends? COMPROMISE. |
| Date | 23:34:10, November 10, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | We did compromise in the past, look where that got us now. Our closest friends betray us in the blink of an eye when we lose a bit of power. But as you said, that's not what this is about. We don't gain profits by letting other nations limiting our sell of resources because of their own personal political opinions don't agree with it. And we certainly don't gain a stronger military by paying for other weaker countries. |
| Date | 23:37:14, November 10, 2009 CET | From | Party One | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Our party will nominate Mr Henrie once ratification is complete. |
| Date | 23:40:48, November 10, 2009 CET | From | United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | I didn't betray you cos you lost power, I compromised with a fellow party to set up an organisation I see as necessary for the progression of this nation and this world as a whole. Three other nations are ratifying as we speak, I have work to do upon reaching the office of Chairman, trade agreements to charter etc. The world is a busier place, and while the Libertarians may enjoy sitting WELL within their fence, shining their shotguns in the event they pesky neighbours get "on their property", I would much rather expand our horizons, create new friends, new opportunities. I don't live in the past, or a cave for that matter. Perhaps in time, under the proud flag of this new League, you will see the future, see what is to come, what we should be like and do. So yes, enjoy your sheltered life, isolated. Things will change around you, and you shall be left behind. Yours Truly David Henrie Future Chairman Handelsatic League of Terra UDM |
| Date | 23:47:51, November 10, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | If you look at the detailed political opinions its clear that our party is just as much of an internationalist as your party. If we are isolationists then you accuse yourself of the same. The truth is we're internationalist and brought Saridani into the United Nations, Peacekeeping, FIFA, Olympics, and much more. It's absurd to say that because we don't agree with other countries banning the sale of products in our market makes us isolationists. This bill will ruin our economy and cause us to go to war with other nations that pose a threat to other nations under this treaty. You claim to do this for increase in money and peace but this will bring exact opposite. You've done nothing but personally attack us instead of convincing us otherwise and will fight this treaty to the bitter end. |
| Date | 23:49:37, November 10, 2009 CET | From | United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Have fun with that |
| Date | 23:51:38, November 10, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Thats all you have to say? Mr Speaker let it be known the UDM has nothing to say about the threat of economic loss and peace in Saridani other then personal attacks on our party. |
| Date | 00:02:11, November 11, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | We would also like to add on the UDM claims us to be isolationists but is gaining support for the bill from the exact same party that once attempted to declare war on our northern neighbors Second Republic of Aldegar. Our party in the foreign affairs department was the party that made peace with the country again, assuring them that we were internationalist interested in further relationships. Unfortunately now the UDM has switched sides and is a puppet government to the CM party. How long until we are forced to invade the north? |
| Date | 01:06:51, November 11, 2009 CET | From | Party One | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | The gentleman from the Libertarian Party would be well advised that the Christian Meritocrats do not exist, as his party has been routinely made aware of. Not one member of the previous organization is involved with the running of, nor finances, the current Party One. We share only a mailing address. Party One will withhold asking for Libel and Slander charges against Libertarians over this issue, but we will make it known every time the Libertarians continue in this act of ignorance. |
| Date | 04:26:51, November 11, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Exact same values, exact same address, exact same people. We will continue to call you by your original name. |
| Date | 05:39:31, November 11, 2009 CET | From | Party One | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Actually we were the Frontier Party from the 2400's to 2800's. Your delusions continue. |
| Date | 06:08:05, November 11, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | the FP were very different people with very different values from the current CM party here today. Besides your changing the subject that a. this bill will be used by left wings to restrict our own free market by left wing nut jobs b. This bill will be used by other nations to force us to pay for their military. UDM we do not want to make an enemy of you but we asked for two things, that we do not pay for other's military and that one country cannot restrict the free market of another country. Instead what you did was one nation with a certain ideology to punish a nation by kicking them out of the treaty when they do not restrict their own market, and creating a unified military force that we have to pay for. We said we would vote for it if you did not do those two things and purposely smacked us in the face and did opposite. Even going so far to allow other nations to punish us. How could you expect us to vote for it? You'd do the same thing if you asked for two things in a treaty and I did exact opposite. Please have reasonable communication with us instead of trying to politically attack us. We can talk about it privately if you'd prefer. Our economy and defense industry is at stake. |
| Date | 06:15:16, November 11, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | To go on, you claim one country cannot restrict another countries, it has to be done by the counsel, but what if one country could lobby enough of the other countries to restrict a certain product? That is exactly one country restricting the free market of another country. All it takes it one convincing communist party to get the counsel to ban the sale of all products by corporations in our nation, and if we do not punish us. That's not improving the economy or international trade as you wish to do in this bill. |
| Date | 09:18:06, November 11, 2009 CET | From | United Democratic Movement | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | Number one, actually learn how to spell COUNCIL, Counsel is a type of lawyer, and I assure you to power doesn't lie with the lawyers. The fact that this is a union for mercantile profit tells you that restricting the market is COMPLETELY the opposite of what it stands for. |
| Date | 16:49:00, November 11, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | If its opposed to what it stands for then why not put it into the treaty that the COUNCIL cannot ban the free market sale of any product. The way it is written right now they are free to ban any product they choose. |
| Date | 17:05:17, November 11, 2009 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Charter of The Handelsatic League of Terra |
| Message | *if it's the opposite |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 592 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 158 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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