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Bill: Education to 99
Details
Submitted by[?]: Protectorate Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2044
Description[?]:
| This bill is an attempt to return choice to the education system. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Proposed: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:45:32, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Education to 99 |
| Message | We want consistency. Prayer should be private and personal so we will vote against this bill. |
| Date | 02:01:07, April 29, 2005 CET | From |  Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Education to 99 |
| Message | Religion is a private thing and the FRP firmly believes in the separation of church and state. Nevertheless there are religious concerns to consider, such as the fact that religious Muslims pray 5 times a day. We do not have the right to prevent them from worshiping . We would like to reiterate that if we support this bill it is because we understand it to mean that teachers can pray and lead school prayers services, but those services are completely voluntary. |
| Date | 02:01:54, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Education to 99 |
| Message | On the other hand, if we had home-schooling and private education we would not even have to worry about this bill because children could go to those schools if they wanted prayer. |
| Date | 03:51:17, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Social Republican Party | To | Debating the Education to 99 |
| Message | We agree with the LP. |
| Date | 04:33:50, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Radical Centrists | To | Debating the Education to 99 |
| Message | We oppose, though note that teachers should be allowed to lead prayer when not acting in their capacity as a teacher (eg a Christian Union). |
| Date | 05:14:20, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Education to 99 |
| Message | The FRP has changed its stance on this issue. We have come to the realization through our research that there are a number of problems with legislation that lets teachers lead school prayer. First and foremost; many school seem to be homogeneous in their religious containment. There are mostly christians with 3-4 agnostics/atheists and 3-4 children of other religions. Teacher led prayer may lead to children being ostracized and bullied because they do not want to pray. Second; Separation of Church and state is important if our government is going to be tolerant of other views, religions and cultures. religion has historically caused problems in the area of tolerance. we're not against religion, we just don't want to take the risk that this would happen again. third; any viable alternatives that the party has thought of, (PS this is mostly based on the good point raised by the RC) can conflict with the education of children. Public school is where children are educated; they are taught skills and their natural abilities are improved when possible. It is not an institution that is meant to promote 'values,' that should be left to parents who are the best judge of how they want to raise their children. In conclusion: The FRP is going to retract this bill, though we will leave it up for a short time for others to comment on and read. We would also like to affirm that Public school should not hinder religious activity, if a child wants to pray in school, he or she should be allowed to. The FRP welcomes your insight. |
| Date | 05:15:58, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Education to 99 |
| Message | The FRP would, nevertheless, like to say that we continue to support the PP and any further legislation that it may put forward. We wish to continue on a path of mutual cooperation. |
| Date | 05:20:18, April 29, 2005 CET | From | Free Reform Coalition (FRP) | To | Debating the Education to 99 |
| Message | Clarification: the FRP is not going to support this bill, not that it is going to retract it. sorry for the slip up. we never proposed the bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 19 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 81 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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