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Bill: Religous Freedom Act

Details

Submitted by[?]: Dorvish Popular Front

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 2030

Description[?]:

One of the most important aspects of a democracy, in our opinion, is choice. This is why we believe religous people should have the choice to have religous schooling for their children. A lot of people seem to be scared of religous dictators, and religous brainwashing, but isnt athiest brainwashing and dictators just as bad?

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageAs Noam Chomsky once said 'if you dont believe in freedom for those you despise, you dont believe in freedom at all'

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageFreedom? this is indoctranation of something that no proof exists to back up, lying to our children, presenting religion as truth? This is deeply irresponsible and also forcing views upon a child that cannot think forthemself yet, I trust the DLF have considered this?

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageShould people be banned for voting for the GRP, as there is no proof to back up your policies? There is no proof to suggest religion is true and there is proof - the Bible is a historical document, there have been many miracles over the years and so on. The point is, however, its not about 'proof' and 'logic' its about the fact some people have faith and love for something. Should children of vegetarians be confiscated and sent to foster homes, as that is a form of indoctrination. The NLF is against govts interfering in peoples lifes, and if a religous person wishes to send their child to a religous school rather than a athiest one, what harm is done?

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageI shall never support the spreading and teaching of hate in schools, which religion the children pray to? Leave the others out? Faith must be the choice of the individual not the state. I shal never condone the teaching of a religion that is homophobic and sexist

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageI shall never support the spreading and teaching of hate in schools, which religion the children pray to? Leave the others out? Faith must be the choice of the individual not the state. I shal never condone the teaching of a religion that is homophobic and sexist

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageThis bill, if you read it, gives schools the choice. This means, the individual CAN choose what they want as opposed to being forced to attend an athiest school when they are a Christian or Muslim. And religion isnt hateful, homophobic and sexist unless it is misunderstood which can happen if people arent educated properly in relgion.

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageThe bible states women must be homemakers and says all homosexuality is wrong and will be punished by eternal damnation, not homophobic or sexist?

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageNo it means the school can choose, it cannot cater for every religion

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageThe Bible can be interpreted in many many ways, and I hardly think a Bible-burning athiest who hates freedom of worship has the most unbiased view of the Christian attitudes to women and homosexuals. This is proof of the need for education of children about religion or else we end up with ignorant people like you! How you came to run the 2nd biggest party in Dorvik beggars belief. The idea behind this bill is to allow certain schools the choice to represent a certain religion. This means the majority of schools will remain a mixture of all religions and athiests. Some specialist schools can cater to Protestants, Catholics, Muslims etc in case parents want their children to be educated in that environment. Obviously the neutral schools will choose not to have teacher-led prayers, whilst the religous schools can have the option to have prayers.

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessagePutting this to the vote. Lets hope all parties in Dorvik will continue to support freedom.

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageWould you a allow a communist, fascist school to be set up? this is the same thing, i believe children should be taught about religion in school just not taught IT. It figures that you are the smallest party in Dorvik

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageHaha, we were set up after the last election, so yes it does figure that we have no seats. Based on moronic comments like this, you have no right to comment upon education! Political ideologies and religion are very different things, it seems to me you dont understand religion and therefore have this major problem with it.

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From
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageChildren have to make their own decisions on religion, but children do not choose their own school. There are enough opportunities outside the classrooms to interest oneself in religion, the NCP disagrees with this bill.

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FromDorvik Conservative Party
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageDoes this bill mean giving children religiously biased schooling or simply educating them on the beliefs of other religions and cultures so they are aware of and can understand those around them. If it is the latter I shall vote yes

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageBasically, the only proposal is teacher-led prayer being at the schools digression. Basically, this means the teachers of the school can decide whether to read prayers with the children, as was done at my school. Religous Education would still be taught (i assume) but for how much longer with the GRP on the loose?

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageHigh School they do. Anyway, their parents do choose their school, and so if they are being raised around, say, hardline Catholics at home, then I hardly see what harm going to a Catholic school will do?

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FromDorvik Conservative Party
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageIn that case I vote against teacher led prayer. I am forced to agree with the GRP that young innocent minds should not be forced into beliefs of their school or even, parents

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageTeacher-led prayers dont force children into anything. How does, for example, saying a prayer for victims of a disastor 'force' children into being religous?

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessagePolitical ideologies and religion are very different things? I think you will find they are both ideoligies.

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageI have never proposed to ban religous education-children must be taught about religion but not taught one religion are taught religion as if it were a truth

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageA tiger and a kitten are both cats, I suppose the Chisem children can expect a tiger for their birthday this year? If a person practises religion, and wishes their children to be brought up in a religous environment does that affect you? However, if people are being educated as Nazis and being told to go out and kill minorities I think that will affect other citizens.

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageTell me, Mr Chisemsky, what makes you more qualified to decide the childs education than their own parents?

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FromNoordelijk Bevrijding Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
Messageblah blah, let parliament decide

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageWhy dont you want to avoid the subject? I ask every party here, what makes the govt more qualified to decided what is right for a child than the childs own parents.

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FromFederalist Labour Party
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageSecular humanism and Christianity as well as Islam…ect are all worldviews/ideologies. The concept that secular humanism is the only fair fact based ideology is inherently ignorant and seriously flawed. It's wrong to teach religion in government schools, but it's okay to can teach kids secular humanism. Thus, it's ok to indoctrinate children in secular humanism - but not in any other worldviews. There is no perfect curriculum that respects all worldviews and ANY indoctrination should not be acceptable. And to say parents have a "choice" to which government school their children attend is utterly ridiculous. IN any certain area there are only a number of government schools that citizens have a choice of attending. To think that those schools will represent all worldviews is again ridiculous. I believe in freedom, there for I believe that all schooling should be voluntary and forced property taxation for government schooling should be repealed. Why should all citizens be FORCED to pay for government education including the citizens that do not use and or require it? THAT’S CALLED CONFISCATION OF WEALTH!

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FromDorvish Popular Front
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageI agree with a lot of what he said, but parents CAN have that choice, but only by making that choice legal. There are enough schools in Dorvik to create a few religous-based schools and leave the majority of schools how they are.

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FromFederalist Labour Party
ToDebating the Religous Freedom Act
MessageOnly the majority has a choice of what "kind" of curriculum the government schools can incorporate. Thus the minority is subject to indoctrination. I'm so bleeping radical lol.

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