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Bill: Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132
Details
Submitted by[?]: RSDP - Democratic Front
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2136
Description[?]:
| An Act to reform the Rutanian health care, social services and welfare system. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Old value:: The government does not supply free or discounted contraceptives.
Current: The government offers free contraceptives in pharmacies and public toilets.
Proposed: The government offers free contraceptives in pharmacies and public toilets.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The research and development of pharmaceutical drugs.
Old value:: The government subsidizes research and development of prescription drugs but does not regulate their prices.
Current: The government subsidizes research and development of prescription drugs and regulates their prices.
Proposed: The government subsidizes research and development of prescription drugs and regulates their prices.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Food and beverage labeling regulations.
Old value:: Companies are required to label food and beverage products somewhere on the package.
Current: Companies must clearly label food and beverage products, in a manner that can be easily understood.
Proposed: Companies must clearly label food and beverage products, in a manner that can be easily understood.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is private, but is paid for by the state for people with low incomes.
Current: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Proposed: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Pharmaceutical drugs policy.
Old value:: The government subsidises the cost of pharmaceutical drugs for people on low incomes.
Current: The government pays partially for all citizens' pharmaceutical drugs, and pays entirely for those of low income citizens.
Proposed: The government pays partially for all citizens' pharmaceutical drugs, and pays entirely for those of low income citizens.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:00:02, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Party II | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | No to all. |
| Date | 17:51:49, October 28, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | It's very libertarian of you to oppose the article that would protect the consumers' rights to be aware of what they consume, namely the clearly labelling thingy :rolleyes: But apparantly your libertarianism only goes as far as corporate greed is concerned. |
| Date | 19:01:40, October 28, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | The FP members tell the RSDP to fuck off and stop lecturing libertarian parties on what libertarianism actually is as we dont lecture the RSDP on what socialism is, only how shit it is. Its libertarian to oppose restrictions on the market and making everyone clearly label is anti free market as it is regulation. All the other bills the LAP are against, quite rightly so as they are extremely anti libertarian |
| Date | 19:09:57, October 28, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | So it is libertarian to favour corporal punishment? So it is libertarian to favour mandatory military service? You, my good friend, are not a libertarian. I appreciate the LAP because they stick by their principles, your party on the other hand appears to forget about its ideological basis when convenient. |
| Date | 13:42:07, October 29, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | "Its libertarian to oppose restrictions on the market and making everyone clearly label is anti free market as it is regulation." So ensuring the rights of the consumer is asked too much? |
| Date | 13:56:57, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Party II | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | Wohey, the LAP is appreciated! |
| Date | 12:40:51, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | "So it is libertarian to favour corporal punishment?" A libertarian party is in favour of allowing parents to choose if they want to send their children to such a school or not, YOU want to make that choice for them. "So it is libertarian to favour mandatory military service?" A libertarian party is in favour of mandatory service in times of war when it is necessary. YOU are in favour of mandatory civilian service ALL THE TIME - effectively giving the government a massive forced workforce with no pressing need for it. "You, my good friend, are not a libertarian." You, my good friend, are looking more like a Bolshevik with every passing minute. "I appreciate the LAP because they stick by their principles, your party on the other hand appears to forget about its ideological basis when convenient." You appear to forget that "having an ideological bias" doesnt mean "agreeing with the RSDP". |
| Date | 15:15:15, October 30, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | "A libertarian party is in favour of allowing parents to choose if they want to send their children to such a school or not, YOU want to make that choice for them." As long as the child himself or herself can't decide whether or not to consent to corporal punishment, it is highly unlibertarian to allow it. "A libertarian party is in favour of mandatory service in times of war when it is necessary. YOU are in favour of mandatory civilian service ALL THE TIME - effectively giving the government a massive forced workforce with no pressing need for it." A true libertarian party is never in favour of forcing people to get shot for the ideals the government holds dear. And your second argument is a blatant lie. "You, my good friend, are looking more like a Bolshevik with every passing minute." On the contrary, you're looking more fascist by the second. "You appear to forget that "having an ideological bias" doesnt mean "agreeing with the RSDP"." :rolleyes: Our party won't even bother responding to this bullshit. Fact remains that you have continuously refused to have a constructive debate. Rather than having a constructive debate you go around shouting "authoritarianism" and "evil socialists". |
| Date | 22:21:36, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | "As long as the child himself or herself can't decide whether or not to consent to corporal punishment, it is highly unlibertarian to allow it." We believe that the parents know what's best for their child, not the state. Perhaps you disagree and think the state should bring up children? "A true libertarian party is never in favour of forcing people to get shot for the ideals the government holds dear." We believe that in times of need it is the duty of EVERY citizen to stand up to defend the country that has given them their freedom and prosperity. Perhaps you think that we should just surrender to the foreign jackboot? "And your second argument is a blatant lie." http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=23874 I refer you to the first post made by the RSDP on this bill, and the article to which he is referring with particular reference to the then current policy. "On the contrary, you're looking more fascist by the second." In what way? I have explained my reasons, but you just seem to be scrabling for a retort. "Our party won't even bother responding to this bullshit." An excellent debating tactic, I am sure - and definately one which the Rutanian people deserve :rolleyes: "Fact remains that you have continuously refused to have a constructive debate." Excuse me? You called me a fascist, I conclusively rebutted all your (extremely brief and vague) points and now you say that *I* am refusing to debate constructively? :rolleyes: "Rather than having a constructive debate you go around shouting "authoritarianism" and "evil socialists"." LOL. Perhaps you should re-read my post. You know, that one with all the supporting points that you actually responded to. |
| Date | 13:30:48, October 31, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | ""A true libertarian party is never in favour of forcing people to get shot for the ideals the government holds dear." We believe that in times of need it is the duty of EVERY citizen to stand up to defend the country that has given them their freedom and prosperity. Perhaps you think that we should just surrender to the foreign jackboot?" In other words, you believe it is OK for a Government to FORCE its citizens to get shot for the ideals the Government hold dear. That is an oppressive, authoritarian and highly unlibertarian measure. "Excuse me? You called me a fascist, I conclusively rebutted all your (extremely brief and vague) points and now you say that *I* am refusing to debate constructively? :rolleyes:" You haven't. |
| Date | 13:42:54, October 31, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | Errr... you only responded to one of my points. I wrote this whole other post: "As long as the child himself or herself can't decide whether or not to consent to corporal punishment, it is highly unlibertarian to allow it." We believe that the parents know what's best for their child, not the state. Perhaps you disagree and think the state should bring up children? "A true libertarian party is never in favour of forcing people to get shot for the ideals the government holds dear." We believe that in times of need it is the duty of EVERY citizen to stand up to defend the country that has given them their freedom and prosperity. Perhaps you think that we should just surrender to the foreign jackboot? "And your second argument is a blatant lie." http://82.238.75.178:8085/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=23874 <--- SPECIAL ATTENTION TO THIS WHICH EXPOSES YOUR DOWN RIGHT LYING I refer you to the first post made by the RSDP on this bill, and the article to which he is referring with particular reference to the then current policy. "On the contrary, you're looking more fascist by the second." In what way? I have explained my reasons, but you just seem to be scrabling for a retort. "Our party won't even bother responding to this bullshit." An excellent debating tactic, I am sure - and definately one which the Rutanian people deserve :rolleyes: "Fact remains that you have continuously refused to have a constructive debate." Excuse me? You called me a fascist, I conclusively rebutted all your (extremely brief and vague) points and now you say that *I* am refusing to debate constructively? :rolleyes: "Rather than having a constructive debate you go around shouting "authoritarianism" and "evil socialists"." LOL. Perhaps you should re-read my post. You know, that one with all the supporting points that you actually responded to. "In other words, you believe it is OK for a Government to FORCE its citizens to get shot for the ideals the Government hold dear. That is an oppressive, authoritarian and highly unlibertarian measure." You sir, are an idiot. It's like talking to a brick wall. You ignore what I actually say and then make another statement of your own which is completely unrelated. It's impossible to debate with someone like you. |
| Date | 11:31:31, November 06, 2005 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | I find it funny the RSDP is calling us authoritarian when they want sexually explicit material banned, they want nudity not allowed in public places, they want to make decisions for parents and remove choice, they want to tell people whats right and whats not right, Puhleasssee. The LIP has argued my views admirably |
| Date | 12:08:39, November 06, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Health Care, Social Services and Welfare Reform Act 2132 |
| Message | You are talking crap here, my "honourable" colleague. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 203 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 341 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 55 |
| Random fact: Did you know you can change the official name of your nation? All you need to do is draw up a new name that is in accordance with the Nation Renaming Guide, pass a bill proposing the name change with a two-thirds majority and then post a request to Moderation on the "Renaming Requests" thread. You can change city and region names in this way too. |
| Random quote: "Anarchism is not a romantic fable but the hardheaded realization, based on five thousand years of experience, that we cannot entrust the management of our lives to kings, priests, politicians, generals, and county commissioners." - Edward Abbey |