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Bill: Welfare State (moderate)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Slaytanic Wehrmacht
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2133
Description[?]:
| I certainly hope this bill will pass. I don't need to explain why this is necessary. Probably only the capitalists will oppose, as poor families don't need to send their children to work in the mines any more. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state does not provide child benefit.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:17:18, October 29, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | Nonsense! There are more productive uses for children, outside of the mining industry. |
| Date | 07:44:36, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | Child benefit for ow-income families, yes. Not sure we should encourage more children in an over-populated world. |
| Date | 12:28:13, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Slaytanic Wehrmacht | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | Our nation is #31 in the population density ranking, so there is plenty of room. ((What's so bad about overpopulation anyways? The most overpopulated nation in the world is Monaco, and they are not exactly poor.)) |
| Date | 17:41:53, October 29, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | ((Monaco probably imports all its food)) It depends what you mean by plenty of room. We would like to leave as small an ecological footprint as possible, a larger population prevents that. So we're with GA here, just low income families should be given benefits. |
| Date | 19:34:09, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | ((Monaco is not over-populated, it is a city with a low population density for an urban area. To all intents and purposes, it is a part of France, that jsut ahppens to have sovereignty. The whole world cannot exist as city, since as CNT says you need the rural areas to produce food. A better example of high population density on a mixed-urban rural base is Bangladesh, which is certainly populated beyond its resource base. Lodamun is probably more like Canada: under-populated, but straining resources through high consumption.)) The world as a whole is over-populated: the pressure of population exceeds the available global resource base. Lodamun can perhaps bear a higher population, but this should be achieved via continued immigration to help relieve GLOBAL over-population, not through government incentives (at taxpayer expense) to have more children. You can't consider the Lodamun ecosystem in isolation: what happens elsewhere affects us. |
| Date | 23:16:37, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Slaytanic Wehrmacht | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | so you say killing small children is protecting the environment? |
| Date | 23:22:46, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | GA will do anything to protect the environment. There were some suspicious acts of eco-vandalism a few years back, and the perpetrators were never caught. |
| Date | 23:36:13, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Slaytanic Wehrmacht | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | Ok, i proposed the compromise we could agree on, and additionally my own opinion you are free to vote against as much as you want. |
| Date | 02:03:53, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | "so you say killing small children is protecting the environment?" um, no. Paying people to have large families is bad for the environment. Killing them is bad. |
| Date | 02:15:08, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Welfare State (moderate) |
| Message | I say it depends on the child. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 156 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 92 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 52 |
| Random fact: Voters have an extra appreciation for bills that actually get passed, so if you want to maximally take profit from your votes, make sure you compromise with others. |
| Random quote: "All within the state; nothing outside the state; nothing against the state." - Benito Mussolini |