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Bill: Abortion Ban Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Nationalist Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2133
Description[?]:
| WHEREAS abortion is legal in the first trimester and WHEREAS abortion harms the fertility rate of the Nation and WHEREAS abortion is morally unsound I PROPOSE abortion be made illegal with EXCEPTION to where the health of the mother is in doubt and with EXCEPTION to where charges have arised as to the consent of the conception and WHEREAS a family court has approved an exception. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Proposed: Abortions are only allowed in medical emergencies.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:31:56, October 29, 2005 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | I agree with that |
| Date | 18:33:35, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Nationalist Union | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | Abortion cheapens the value of life and thereby morally corrupts the people leading to hedonistic decay. I propose it be banned for all but extreme cases. |
| Date | 18:41:54, October 29, 2005 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | EDIT: I guess rape and such are included in "medical emergencies" (when you don't know who the father is, the baby could have serious genetic handicaps and we can therefore see this as a medical emergency). Maybe it's better to put this explicit at the bill, to get rid of all doubts (if you did NOT mean this as an emergency, I will probably vote against) |
| Date | 19:37:39, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | I'm against. This is a matter of both freedom of religion and civil rights, both of which are restricted by this bill. |
| Date | 19:51:25, October 29, 2005 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | SSP: if you concider abortion a matter of freedom, why not make murder legal too? |
| Date | 19:54:31, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | Because at law, life begins at birth, therefore, it can't be murder. FYI, I am a father of two. I think having a child is the greatest thing you can do. I would never counsel someone to have an abortion. However, I think in limited circumstances, the choice should be open. No fetus can survive outside the womb in the first trimester, and therefore, I think it is a reasonable compromise. As for the rape exception, that is a nice idea, but unenforceable. You can't get a rape conviction in most places in less than nine months, and therefore, having an abortion would be impossible (as the baby is born already). |
| Date | 19:59:06, October 29, 2005 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | I think you don't have my point (in 3): I say abortion should be possible in case of rape, the rest was argumentation why it should be that way |
| Date | 20:02:25, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | I'm telling you the rape exception is unenforceable - you can't convict someone before the baby is born. The right to abort in certain circumstances recognizes the right to control one's own body. Murder necessarily controls the body of another separate and apart from yours. They are therefore separate and distinct issues that cannot be linked when discussion about the right to abort during the first trimester. |
| Date | 20:43:56, October 29, 2005 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | Why shouldn't there be exceptions for rape? We don't say abortion is murder |
| Date | 20:59:25, October 29, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | You can make one - my point is that it is unenforceable. |
| Date | 21:14:13, October 29, 2005 CET | From | North Majatran Union Congress | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | The fact is that if we don't allow abortions here, then the health of women will be placed at risk when they're forced to have backstreet abortions. Banning abortion will merely result in thousands of women leaving the country to have abortions in other States. if you want to protect the health and fertility of women NUS then banning abortion is not the manner in which to undertake it. |
| Date | 02:50:57, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Nationalist Union | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | With the amendments a rape case shall not need to be proven but merely brought. |
| Date | 04:48:54, October 30, 2005 CET | From | National Socialist Party Of Selucia | To | Debating the Abortion Ban Act |
| Message | None of this metaphysical moralising BS. The birth rate can be improved by other means. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 110 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 316 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 126 |
| Random fact: Any RP law granting extraordinary "emergency powers" or dictator-like powers to a government must be passed by at least a 2/3rds majority, but (like all RP laws) may always be overturned by a simple majority vote of the legislature. |
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