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Bill: Enjoyable Retirement Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Socialist Front
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2135
Description[?]:
| And the poor? They are not to have a decent retirement? We shall take this one step at a time. So let us implement a public pension system for the poor, and allow additional private funds to be versed in if the citizen so wish it. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Current: The state operates a compulsory, public pension system.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:50:25, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Enjoyable Retirement Act |
| Message | We agree with the proposal. |
| Date | 08:17:58, October 30, 2005 CET | From | New Aldurian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Enjoyable Retirement Act |
| Message | We are opposed to this, as we feel that saving should be up to the individual. People should not be forced into a federal pension system. |
| Date | 12:49:42, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Enjoyable Retirement Act |
| Message | We'll have to pay for those who don't subscribe to a private system anyway since the right to pension is a fondamental right. Lets make everyone pay its share. |
| Date | 17:55:20, October 30, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Front | To | Debating the Enjoyable Retirement Act |
| Message | Personally, iwed like to have everyone under a single pension system. This is only step one towards that goal. We're compromising here. |
| Date | 18:56:15, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Moderates | To | Debating the Enjoyable Retirement Act |
| Message | "Let's make everyone pay their share." That's a grand sentiment, however unrealistic. First, each individual knows where their money comes from, where they store it, and their plans for their future. They should be able to save their money when they wish, how they wish. The proposal restricts investment oppurtunities and people's ability to plan. Second, if the proposed pension system funds itself by deducting a precentage of wage earned while distributing the same amout to each person, those who work more or earn more will pay more than their share for others who may choose to be lazy. We will vote agains this bill. |
| Date | 22:02:20, October 30, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Enjoyable Retirement Act |
| Message | To the ASP: "The proposal restricts investment oppurtunities and people's ability to plan." Its absolutly false. A person can still subscribe to a private system and improve its pension. "those who work more or earn more will pay more than their share for others who may choose to be lazy." Its false. The pension is calculated to be proportional to the worker's salary (usually the mean of the X best years). |
| Date | 04:50:36, November 04, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Moderates | To | Debating the Enjoyable Retirement Act |
| Message | As to the response: When you take someone's money away from them for a complusary program, you restrict their ability. Wiether you deign to allow them to use the remander of their money or now. Funny, I fail to see that stipulation listed in the bill's language. |
| Date | 04:51:18, November 04, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Moderates | To | Debating the Enjoyable Retirement Act |
| Message | As to the response: When you take someone's money away from them for a complusary program, you restrict their ability. Wiether you deign to allow them to use the remander of their money or now. Funny, I fail to see that stipulation listed in the bill's language. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 270 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 131 |
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