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Bill: Secular Act (2872)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Fortunato's Fascist Formation
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2873
Description[?]:
| After a period of internal struggle within our own ranks. We have decided to attempt to ban religion due to our people's increasing demand for a secular state. Gordon Gunn is personally a practising member of the Lutheran Church himself and feels that a state religion will only further increase our national identity. However other party members aswell as our constituency feel that a secular state is the way forward. Theodore Percival (He is not in anyway related to the CLP's Francis Percival) who is expected to take over from Gordon Gunn in the next few years feels that a secular state is the way forward for the Ultranationalist party as our policies are becoming more and more identical to the former People's Revolutionary Communist Party. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Current: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Proposed: Any form of religion is banned.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 05:09:09, January 03, 2010 CET | From | Fortunato's Fascist Formation | To | Debating the Secular Act (2872) |
| Message | Religion is poison. Poison. Like a poison, it weakens humanity. Like a drug, it retards the mind of one's self and society. The opiate of the people - Julien Lahaut |
| Date | 19:10:36, January 03, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Secular Act (2872) |
| Message | And thus the nationalists betray their lack of respect for individual freedom. |
| Date | 07:24:33, January 04, 2010 CET | From | Fortunato's Fascist Formation | To | Debating the Secular Act (2872) |
| Message | We have decided to attempt to ban religion due to our people's increasing demand for a secular state |
| Date | 09:47:24, January 04, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Secular Act (2872) |
| Message | Mr Speaker, we must respond on two counts: First of all, demand for a secular state does not equate to demand for a secular society. People may desire no official religion and a detachment of state and church, but that does not mean that they seek to be banned from holding religion at all. Our leader, the Prime Minister, is a devout Lutheran, and yet he wishes as much detachment between state and religion as is possible. Secondly, even if the two things could be equated, it is always a duty and obligation of a responsible democracy to uphold the rights of minorities. Indeed, the individual is always in a minority of one, and as such, religious rights should never be surrendered simply to appease a majority. But then, Mr Speaker, we are talking in democratic terms, and not totalitarian, as desired by the nationalists. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 102 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 289 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: In cases where a party has no seat, the default presumption should be that the party is able to contribute to debates in the legislature due to one of its members winning a seat at a by-election. However, players may collectively improvise arrangements of their own to provide a satisfying explanation for how parties with no seats in the legislature can speak and vote there. |
| Random quote: "What difference does it make to the dead, the orphans, and the homeless, whether the mad destruction is wrought under the name of totalitarianism or the holy name of liberty and democracy?" - Mahatma Gandhi. |