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Bill: Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare.
Details
Submitted by[?]: National-Liberal Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2882
Description[?]:
| It has recently come to our attention that we are not doing the best we can to help our brothers and sisters properly, and instead of using the excessive ammount of surplus cash to help them live a better life, it is instead going into the pockets of corrupt senators. This can not go on anymore and we must help those that cannot help themselves. We have laid the foundation for our works, now, it is time to begging building a better tomorrow. For too long have our elders been living on crumbs. For too long have the orphans of our nation suffered. For too long have the sick died of our inexperienced doctors and cheap drugs. Let us give them what they truly deserve. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: Child benefit policies are left to local governments.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Proposed: The state guarantees child benefit to all families.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:06:05, January 20, 2010 CET | From | Kundrati National Front | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | National Liberal Party is moving towards socialism, clearly. Our economy can't afford this much of reforms. KNF says no. |
| Date | 00:17:08, January 21, 2010 CET | From | Unio enim si quis Motus Populi | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | We agree with the child benefits proposal. Everything else we feels is right where it should be and doesn't need changing. |
| Date | 01:18:56, January 21, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Reform Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | No support for any proposals from our party. We are free-Market conservatives and libertarians, not socialists. |
| Date | 08:16:46, January 21, 2010 CET | From | National-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | You are confusing Socialism with Sympathy. We have an extremely unhealthy amount of Surplus in our treasury, approximately 909,107,914,720 KUN's. As I said before, we have no real need for such unorthodox amounts of cash in the near future, seeing as how our neighbors show no sign of aggressions and the Senate refuses to pass the majority of military bills. Although, if we need to compromise to bring aid to our people, we shall. Nevertheless, let us be Socialists in your eyes, yet Benevolent Rulers in the eyes of the population. |
| Date | 09:30:24, January 21, 2010 CET | From | Nationalist Movement Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | Our economy can easilly afford these reforms. The huge amounts of money in our treasury belongs to the people, not corrupt politicians. We support this bill except Article 5 which legalizes the use of cannabis. The current state is bad enough that it allows local governments to use an addictive drug as a painkiller. |
| Date | 16:44:27, January 21, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Reform Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | After much consideration and the point of the budget, we will compromise. We will support Articles 3, 4, and 5 if they stand alone. |
| Date | 01:13:09, January 22, 2010 CET | From | Unio enim si quis Motus Populi | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | Whoops, we misread the minimum-wage proposal. We support that as well. So we're behind child benefits and the minimum wage increase. |
| Date | 05:34:26, January 22, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Reform Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | Once again, 3,4, and 5 alone will be supported. |
| Date | 07:49:01, January 22, 2010 CET | From | National-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | Since it seems that compromising shall be the only way this bill may pass, we seem to have no other choice. Articles 3, 4 and 5 shall be removed from this bill. |
| Date | 15:50:48, January 22, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Reform Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | This bill can not pass! We already guarantee a minimum income; by increasing this, we only the people. They will become content with their lives living from the government, and have no incentive to improve themselves. The intrusion of the federal government into Child Support is also uncalled for, undermining the welfare that should be left to the local governments. What you do not understand is that this bill will harm the common person, needlessly increase our spending, and disincentivise progress and personal ambition! Please vote against this bill; proserve our free market and do not harm our nation! |
| Date | 18:01:05, January 22, 2010 CET | From | National-Liberal Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | And what would you rather have us do? Sit comfortably in our 20 grand chair while smoking expensive cigars while they die due to hunger and cold? We cannot let our people suffer for the sake of a ideology |
| Date | 18:14:57, January 22, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Reform Party | To | Debating the Reforming the Healthcare and Welfare. |
| Message | The people are doing perfectly well on their own. Innovation and competition are what makes this nation great, not it's cradle to death nanny state programs. You do not understand that the Free Market will set the natural minimum wage; by artificially increasing the minimum wage, we force the Free Market to adjust the prices to reflect the minimum wage. Instead of changing anything, the market just shits, charging more for goods to reflect the growing amount of money availiable. We cannnot regulate the people into prosperity; they must choose this for themselves. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 467 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 134 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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