We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee
Details
Submitted by[?]: Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2884
Description[?]:
| The Rt Hon. Sean Warwick, representing the Constitutionalist Imperial League, does hereby open this fifth session of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activites Committee, under the rotating presidency of the Rt Hon representative of the Employers' Association Party. Permanent members of the IULAC: EAP - 1 vote CIL - 1 vote Every article must be approved by a majority to come into effect. Agenda: 1. Ammend IULAC code to award "observer" status to the Tory Party. 2. Request that the World Community Party testify before this committee to inform it of its goals, intentions and views. 3. Ammend IULAC code to award either "observer" or "non-participant" to the World Community Party following its testimony in front of this committee. 4. Deliberate on the favourability of the extension of voting proposals. Details: 1. "Observer" status defined: No vote in official IULAC affairs, but can make recommendations and is likely to be awarded voting power in the future (official definition as per the 2nd Meeting of the IULAC). 2. None 3. "Non-participant" defined: Not in accordance with IULAC policies, and therefore ineligible to partake in the affairs of the IULAC. Subject to sanctions and penalties for subversive activity (official definitio as per the 2nd Meeting of the IULAC). 4. As mentioned by the CIL in a session of the Diet. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:34:00, January 21, 2010 CET | From | Social Democratic League | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Mr Speaker The WCP:s goals is to spread its politics to the entire planet, not just HLE. Preferrbly chosen by every living human on the planet but violence is not entirely ruled out, but only if everything else fails. The WCP:s intentions is to try to spread the views of the party to more people through non-violent ways. The WCP:s views on HLE and perhaps more interesting for CIL, the Emperor is that monarchy is a remain from older times drawing its last dying breaths and because the WCP is more of a communist party than monarchfriendly, WCP would support the elimination of HLE:s monarchy as ruling body. I yield |
| Date | 21:49:40, January 21, 2010 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Committee member Sean Warwick takes the floor: "We thank the World Community Party for its appearance and agreement to testimony. I would like to question the WCP in further depth on some specific issues. Firstly, to me it seems that the first and second statements of the WCP are somewhat contradictary, since the first one states that violence could be an option of last resort and the second one claims that the WCP wishes to spread its views using non-violent ways. Furthermore, we wish to know if the WCP views so-called "civil disobediance", a method which is completely illegal in Luthori, an acceptable means to the ends they wish. All in all, we would like to know if the WCP would be ready to swear, here and now, under oath in front of this Committee that they will never use violence against fellow Luthorians to advance their political agenda. Secondly, we would like to know if the WCP would object to an entirely symbolic monarch in Luthori, possessing no power whatsoever. Specificaly, we wish to know if the WCP's opposition to His Majesty stems from His current level of power and influence in Luthori politics or His very existence. Lastly, we would like to know if the WCP would consider moderating its positions and moving towards the political centre. We wisht hem to bear in mind that such actions will surely greatly enhance their status with this Committee, with the current Diet, the current government and the Luthori people. That is all we address to the WCP for now. The party in question may answer, but must also keep in mind that they may be further questioned by the EAP. |
| Date | 22:21:45, January 21, 2010 CET | From | Social Democratic League | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Mr Speaker The WCP can swear before the committe that violence will never be used against other humans including Luthorians. But on the second point the WCP will not and indeed can not bow before the monarch since its very being is a direclty violence towards the parties founding or basic opinions. On the third and last question the answear must also be no, since the WCP feel obligated to be a counterweight against HLE:s other parites since WCP is the only "red" party, and these questions are to important to be shunned away under the carpet so to speak. I yield |
| Date | 02:20:16, January 22, 2010 CET | From | Royalist Party (IA) | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Stephen Mason, head of Tory public appearance: Both the WCP and the CIL must understand that our country is dominated by conservative-monarchists, right? A communist has no place in the Committee against un-Luthori activity, because the commies are responsible for the un-Luthori activity. HLE wants a monarch, WCP wants "equality". WCP interferes, we let the market be free. They zig, we zag. Our strong opinion is that the WCP has no place in this committee. Also, Lady Caris, has asked me to mention that the Tory's want a spot in this committee and that if granted, I would be the rep. |
| Date | 22:41:22, January 22, 2010 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | "The appearances of both the WCP and TP have been recognized and noted. The Tory Party's clear support for His Majesty and Luthori has been noted. The CIL favours the Tories' admission as an observer party with the ultimate goal of integrating them into the Committee as a full member. Indeed, we would be glad to welcome the Rt Hon Stephen Mason as one of ours. An enlargement proposal such as that would require unanimous consent and will be proposed at the next meeting of this committee. Pertaining to the WCP, we gladfully note the response to our first point of interest and can assure that renouncing violence towards integration into the mainstream. However, we frown upon the answer to our second point of interest and maintain that at the very bare minimum acceptance of the Emperor's rule is a prerequisite to observer status (which offers shielding from sanctions, penalties and classification of activities as subversive). Regarding the last response from the WCP, here is our comment. To us, it seems that the WCP's primary interest is in advancing leftist policies. For the last two hundred years, there have been a number of very successful and prominent leftist parties, most notably the Alliance of Social Democrats, which for a long time, was a strong ally of the CIL. However, the success of these leftist parties originated from their understanding that it was simply impossible for them to succeed if they remained rigidly ideological, opposing the monarchy and all offers of compromise and bitterly clinging to the dead ideals of communism and socialism. Indeed, while the IULAC strongly opposes socialism, communism, fascism and other ideologies it deems un-Luthorian, the Committee is very supportive of pro-Luthorian ideologies, be they left or right. Indeed, a mix of liberalism (supported by the EAP), conservatism (supported by the CIL and TP) and social-democracy (formerly supported by the ASD) insures the well-functioning of the Empire. As long as the WCP, or any leftist party for that matter, remains strictly ideological and radicalized, it will succeed only in being a radicalized opposition against a radicalized government. By very far the best chances for cooperation and success of any social-democratic agenda is compromise, without it, there is simply no progress, as shown by the numerous years of the RLP and any other party which wished to stay radical, in the opposition, passing no legislation whatsoever. The WCP must also understand that a move towards the centre would not be only be of their doing. Were more moderate politicians to come to power in the WCP, moderate voices will also gain prominence in the CIL. Although we cannot speak for the other members of our alliance we feel confident that signs of moderation and pragmatism will be looked upon favourably by them as well. We would also like to note lastly that this is our final attempt at cooperation and compromise with the WCP. Were this to be rejected outright, radical policymaking and uncompromising viewpoints will succeed. Of course there are some in my party that will disapprove of my words, even call me a traitor, but I, like my superiors, believe that a unified and multi-partisan Luthori is strongest. Thank you." |
| Date | 04:15:18, January 23, 2010 CET | From | Royalist Party (IA) | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I believe I represent my party when I declare that our loyalties lye with Luthori, however, we do disagree with one Luthorian law. This is of course, the number of proposals. Seeing as together (CIL, TP, EAP), have a majority, the WCP are no threat. The only other use of the current law is to keep us weak, and the WCP strong. Is this what Luthori wants? if so, we gladly submit to it, but we don't think this is Luthori's choice. I serve my God, and he is happy with this change, my party, there are happy with the change, and my king, is my king happy with this change? |
| Date | 12:17:23, January 23, 2010 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Employer's Association Partyleader Frederick le Grande takes the floor. "Mr Speaker, gentlemen and women of both sides. We have to do something with the autocratic ideals that have taken place in politics these last years. Freedom is not a matter of coursenowadays as it was earlier in history. As it is now, status quo, is the best for all parts included. And as you know we are only 17 votes away from big changes, we have to take steps and make measures to slow down an eventually Bolshie win in next election. Concerning the Tory Party's membership in this commitee, I have no objections apart from the party's name. As the last Tory Party became a traitor, I find it as an insult against all forces that fought against the traitors. I think that must be a criteria for the party. I just wanted to mention it and a name is of course easily changed. Let us now gather and stand firm and united defend our values. A free Luthori, a free market, an independent monarch and a preserved honour for our nation's gloriuos history. Thank you." |
| Date | 15:47:23, January 24, 2010 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Following this meeting, the CIL could agree to an extension of voting proposals for a total of five instead of three which is the current legal limit. However, we reserve the right to repropose a decrease should we fell a threat towards the Emperor. |
| Date | 15:48:33, January 24, 2010 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | We now move to vote for articles 1 and 3 of the agenda, which are modifications in the regulations of the IULAC. Article 1 - aye article 3 - aye |
| Date | 21:17:13, January 24, 2010 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | EAP: Article 1 - aye Article 3 - aye |
| Date | 21:38:12, January 24, 2010 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 4th Meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Motion passed with unanimous consent. OOC: This motion has already passed in the IULAC. WCP, just for practicality's sake, can you please vote yes on this one? The actual Diet vote doesnt matter but it looks better if you do, pleeeease :) |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 117 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 83 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: The players in a nation have a collective responsibility to ensure their "Bills under debate" section is kept in good order. Bills which are irrelevant or have become irrelevant should be deleted. Deletion can be requested for bills proposed by inactive parties on the Bill Clearout Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4363 |
| Random quote: "By a continuing process of inflation, government can confiscate, secretly and unobserved, an important part of the wealth of their citizens." - John Maynard Keynes |