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Bill: Render unto Ceasar
Details
Submitted by[?]: National People's Gang
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2134
Description[?]:
| And do it sharpish - not only are there additional levies for delayed payment, but the original tax bill will rise again. No tax breaks for peddlars of doom, despair and life eternal. Cough up now and verily thou shalt be rewarded hereafter. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are not permitted to promote themselves or advertise in any manner whatsoever.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: No religions are taxed.
Current: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Proposed: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:48:10, October 31, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | This bill contradicts itself. |
| Date | 22:09:07, October 31, 2005 CET | From | International Society of Bankers | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | um, support both. |
| Date | 02:35:04, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Slaytanic Wehrmacht | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | I dont know how to vote. |
| Date | 03:27:44, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | Same here. This bill deliberately takes two unlike proposals and groups them. There is a special place in Hel for the Devo party member who proposed this bill. |
| Date | 03:29:57, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | Especially because our party organization runs at a profit. Losses are evil, but we refuse to pay taxes. We shall vote no, and should this bill fail, we will continue to advertise as a political party, rather than a religion. |
| Date | 13:14:09, November 01, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | The bill doesn't contradict itself at all - all companies are allowed to promote themselves and all companies pay tax. |
| Date | 13:17:09, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | Funny that at least 123 representatives think otherwise. |
| Date | 13:37:25, November 01, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | Yes, but of those, 92 have a reputation for not thinking at all. |
| Date | 13:43:18, November 01, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | Apparently they don't have that reputation with the people. 19 representatives say one thing, almost five times as many say another. Then there is the subject of this bill, a split request was made by two different parties, and both were ignored. One was from your coalition partners, the Satanists. |
| Date | 13:58:15, November 01, 2005 CET | From | National People's Gang | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | No split requests were made until after voting had started. |
| Date | 01:56:18, November 02, 2005 CET | From | CNT/AFL | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | We support 2 and oppose 1 equally, so w'ere going to abstain. |
| Date | 03:08:24, November 02, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the Render unto Ceasar |
| Message | I expect article 1 to pass shortly in another bill. Therefore I will oppose to prevent 2 from passing. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 123 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 147 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 30 |
| Random fact: If there are no parties in your nation with seats, feel free to visit the forum and request an early election on the Early Election Requests thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=4362 |
| Random quote: "I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it." - Niccolo Machiavelli |