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Bill: Capital Punishment Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Action Française
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2137
Description[?]:
| Serial Murderers and serial rapists must be punished properly, once they are proved guilty beyond any reasonable doubt. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:01:09, November 02, 2005 CET |
From |  Malfico Progressive Fascist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | The state should never apply the death penalty. Once the state gives itself the right to takethe lives of its citiezens, the citiezens become beholden to the state. This should not be the case, the state exists for the citiezens, not the other way around. The only purpose the state has is to protect the people from harm, either of themselves or their property. KIlling citiezens does not constitute preventing them from harm. Impriosnment is a suffcient punishment, it allows for a degree of rehabilitation, in the end everyone should be given a second chance. Serial criminals can be imprisoned for life. We cannot support this bill, and call on all parties who care for the citiezens of the empire to oppose this bill. |
| Date | 16:19:46, November 02, 2005 CET |
From | Action Française | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | We care for the citizens, thats why we propose the most vile citizens who have nothing to contribute, and have proved repeatedly that they are a harm to society should be removed. If yu advocte life imprisonment, then why not advocate capital punishment, they both equate to the same outcome, so why delay the proceedings. Serial and repeat murderers/rapists have shown they cannot be rehabilitated, they have nothing more to offer society.
The state acts to protect its citizens, for example in times of law the state becomes more important thatn the individual. The state must therefore decide what is the best way to protect its citizens. Should it try have deter criminals by executing murderers, should it decapitate vile crimes by literally decapitating the perpretrators of those crimes. We also feel that when citizens break the law, and once they have been proved guilty by the law, then the state does not have the same commitments to that citizens than it does to non-murderers and non-rapists.
It is because we care for the innocent that we are proposing this bill, the state has to discriminate between the innocent and the guilty, the guilty must be punished. |
| Date | 16:23:35, November 02, 2005 CET |
From | Malfico Progressive Fascist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | The state is never more important than the citizen. In addition the state's commitments are to all Kanjorans and it has no right to choose which ones to deny these commitments. |
| Date | 16:26:56, November 02, 2005 CET |
From | Action Française | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | Of course it has a right to coose which ones it denies its responsibilities to. The state should not shield people from the retribution they deserve. |
| Date | 16:29:47, November 02, 2005 CET |
From | Malfico Progressive Fascist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | Who are we to decide who deserves what. The state is not omniscient, it has no place deciding who deserves the ultimate retribution. The state exists for the people, we must not allow the opposite to become the status quo. |
| Date | 16:51:16, November 02, 2005 CET |
From | Action Française | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | So no crime should be punished? The state should do absolutely nothing, no laws should be put in place? Complete anarchy should be allowed? The state has to provide certain facilities for its citizens, whether they be the creation of law or the observance of criminal punishments. Most people accept that premeditated murder is wrong. Most people will accept that those who commit murder after being released from prison cannot be rehabilitated and therefore serve no purpose to their fellow citizens, and as such should no longer be given the protection of the state. |
| Date | 23:11:47, November 03, 2005 CET |
From | Kanjoran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | I agree with National Alliance that the death penalty should be implemented. As for the individual and the state, I do think the state is more important than the individual. Don't cells in our body work together to keep us alive? It should also be with the citizens and the state. If we have a cancer in our body don't we remove it? Criminals are a cancer in the body of the state and should be removed accordingly. |
| Date | 19:53:16, November 04, 2005 CET |
From | Malfico Progressive Fascist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | This state worship disturbs us somewhat. If you start by saying criminals are cancer, you can move on to any group the state decides it doesnt like, and you end up with deltaria. Simple fact of the matter is once you give the state the right to take life, you have given the state the right to do anything to its citizens. We all know where that can lead. |
| Date | 22:04:56, November 04, 2005 CET |
From | Kanjoran Socialist Party | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | Yes we all know where that can lead. America has the right to take life, but you don't see us abusing the system. We only use it on the most high profile cases. That is all that is being asked here. As for the state worship, We are pro-Big Government. We believe that if the state decides a certain group to be detrimental to its future, then they should have the power to decide whether or not they want to keep them around. If you are a citizen, we believe that you owe the state for even allowing you to live in it. They protect you, give you jobs, and give you stability. You should do whatever is in your power to give back to it. |
| Date | 13:04:36, November 05, 2005 CET |
From | Action Française | To | Debating the Capital Punishment Bill | | Message | ooc: if you use rl examples please put in an out of character note, simply because what happens in the US isn't strictly speaking an issue in Kanjora. |
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Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 160 |
| no | Total Seats: 325 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 114 |
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