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Bill: Death Penalty Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Christian Democrat Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2900
Description[?]:
| This house believes the death penalty is against human rights, there is the possibilty of innocent people dying under it. It also promotes a revenge, eye for an eye, element to justice which as Gandhi rightly said will leave the whole world blind. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Current: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Proposed: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:44:40, February 25, 2010 CET | From | Throne of Immeressen | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | Imprisonment is punishment. Execution is curing a problem. A prisoner can commit crimes over and over, an executed man never commits another. A prisoner can be subjected to cruelties day on day, an executed man suffers once. The death penalty is the most humane way to prevent recidivism, and the only way that is 100% effective. |
| Date | 20:05:52, February 26, 2010 CET | From | Christian Democrat Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | Life imprisonments can prevent repeated crimes, at least the vast majority of the time. Imprisonment gives a guilty man time to realise his wrongs and perhaps change his ways, in a way the death penalty can never allow. And you have not acknowledged the abomination that would be the possibility of innocent people dying from the death penalty. |
| Date | 21:16:06, February 26, 2010 CET | From | Throne of Immeressen | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | Life imprisonment doesn't prevent repeated crimes, at all. The CDP should look at prisoner-on-prisoner violence statistics, and recidivism rates in former 'lifers' that are released back into the community. No, there's only one way to prevent recidivism, but the CDP lack the stomach for it. |
| Date | 21:58:32, February 26, 2010 CET | From | Christian Democrat Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | When referring to life imprisonments, we meant actual life sentences without release which could be preferred to execution. We are proud to lack the stomach to kill our own citizens. |
| Date | 00:42:48, February 27, 2010 CET | From | Throne of Immeressen | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | Why would anyone be proud of failing to put an end to something that is intrisically evil? Are CDP doctors averse to prescribing medicine, because they are proud not to have the stomach to kill bacteria? Are CDP farmers letting herds die unharvested, because they are proud to lack the stomach to slaughter cows? A recidivist killer or rapist is not going to get better. They will kill or rape if they EVER get the chance, again - and there's no way to imprison someone that can make that promise and keep it. They'll either escape, and re-offend, or they'll be freed and re-offend... or they'll re-offend with the other prisoners. How is letting prisoners be raped and murdered by other prisoners 'preferred to execution'? Sounds pretty barbaric. This party is proud to lack the stomach to enable rapists and murderers. |
| Date | 19:46:11, February 27, 2010 CET | From | Christian Democrat Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | If it is true that prisoners are being raped and murdered by other prisoners, the solution is to improve security in prisons, not to kill our prisoners. And recidivist killers or rapists must be put in high security prisons to prevent them from escaping. You have continuously ignored our points about the possibility of the innocent people being killed by the death penalty. Especially with our current system where appealling is not legal (which we will attempt to change), mistakes are all too possible. |
| Date | 03:32:16, February 28, 2010 CET | From | Throne of Immeressen | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | We are willing to take a few losses, for the greater good. You can't make an omlette without brutally executing a few hundred innocent people. |
| Date | 12:51:20, February 28, 2010 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | The Coalition would take issue with the last statement of the Throne there. We have never encountered a few hundred innocent people....yet we have made many omlettes. |
| Date | 10:46:52, March 01, 2010 CET | From | Throne of Immeressen | To | Debating the Death Penalty Act |
| Message | Statistically they must exist. Your omlettes are evidence. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 274 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 392 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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