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Bill: New Assembly Proposals

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Submitted by[?]: Mouvement Bourgeoisies et Citoyens

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 2905

Description[?]:

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Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date19:04:50, March 07, 2010 CET
FromParti Imperial du Peuple (IA)
ToDebating the New Assembly Proposals
MessageThe middle ground is the best ground.

Date20:26:15, March 07, 2010 CET
FromMouvement Bourgeoisies et Citoyens
ToDebating the New Assembly Proposals
MessageThe middle ground between the old order and common sense has still led to unparalleled privileges for the aristocracy. It is the best only for you and yours.

Date03:47:09, March 10, 2010 CET
FromParti Imperial du Peuple (IA)
ToDebating the New Assembly Proposals
MessageWhat? So allowing the employers to fire their workers is helping the people? lol

Boy this nation has very few aristcrats why not examin the nation before you condem it to hell. This nation is a Popular monarch, run by a seperate neutral Consul that is elected by the people. The Imperial part of the government, the Emperor and his Viceroy, have no power other than that which is given to them by the establishment act of the Consul system and the powers that the assembly wishes to give them.

All private companies are allowed to exist, but not allowing public companies also is one sided. So we allow both to exist. People choose for themsleves and we do not force a damn thing on them.

Lord Bruno Peters
Chief Representative of the People's Imperial Assembly

Date22:51:50, March 10, 2010 CET
FromMouvement Bourgeoisies et Citoyens
ToDebating the New Assembly Proposals
MessageThe subject of labour relations is not so simple as this Assembly seems to suppose. Making laws to stop employers firing their workers is in no way equivalent to making laws to ensure people keep their jobs; it is, to understate, a bit more complicated than that. Currently the law gives a massive bargaining chip to union leaders. It is indicitive of the sham populism of the aristocratic government that they would allow the creation of an artificially high wages, which not just the range and extent of Aldurian exports, but also creates unemployment and inflation at home.

I do not believe we have ever crticised or indeed commented on the number of aristocracy. Frankly it is irrelevent whether there is a group of one hundred of a group of one wielding such a disproportionate amount of influence on government.

It is not a case of outlawing public companies; that concept is not grounded in reality. The question is simply why have a national ISP? I'm sure its operation provides plenty of jobs for any down on their luck 'good ol' boys', but in general such activities run at a loss and cost the ordinary citizen money on top of what they already pay for ther ISP. Their is a case for government services where private services would be inefficient or impractical, such as roads, water supply etc. however in cases like ISPs and energy suppliers, it is baffling to suggest that increases public spending for no justifiable reason is not forcing 'a damn thing.'

Date03:22:20, March 11, 2010 CET
FromParti Imperial du Peuple (IA)
ToDebating the New Assembly Proposals
MessageHowever, you make it sound Alduria is a crap hole when we are in the top 20 economies in Terra. In fact if I am remembering right we are in the top ten. So obviously something has been working and thus means we should stick to it.

Again you claim an aristocratic government but tell me where it is. The Government is the Consul and the Chief Representative of the Assembly, not the Emperor and the nobles. The nobles have only titles, not even lands or domains unless that bought them with money they earned themselves. This nation is in all but name a republic and a very enlightened one at that.

Try looking at the facts instead of making lies to spread your propaganda.

Date17:15:30, March 11, 2010 CET
FromMouvement Bourgeoisies et Citoyens
ToDebating the New Assembly Proposals
MessageOOC: Just to be clear, I'm not going to take a broken economic system as an empirical fact of how well an economy is doing. It's far to easily exploited

IC: Of course, you speak in terms of GDP, but that ignores more crucial indicators. More so, it ignores the question of who really benefits from tgis economic growth, because the answer to that question, when the government has its fingers in every pie and have only vague notions why it deserves such, is very damning.

The influence of the nobles on everyday government is as obvious as it is insipid. If you are looking for more comprehensive details of our 'propaganda', we suggest you ask the Grand Duke, m'lord.

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