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Bill: Torture Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Capitalizt Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2136
Description[?]:
| We ask to withdraw from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. We are NOT against common sense of Human Rights, but we think it can't pass over more dangerous threats where human life is put to risk. In fact, this is what we point. In case of a national serious threat, people with vital information can't be tortured, putting at risk the national security. We therefore ask to allow torture, but only when the information it extorts is vital for saving lives. In case errors were made by torturing wrong suspects, they will be provided a fair compensation for the unjust treatment received. To do so, we first ask the withdrawal from the abovementioned Treaty. |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:43:13, November 04, 2005 CET | From |  United Blobs | To | Debating the Torture Act |
| Message | We cannot support torture. Torture victims suffer longer term physical and mental problems which could ruin their lives. Information gained through torture is likely to be inaccurate as people will tell anythig to avoid a continuation of the pain. We call on all right-minded parties to vote against. |
| Date | 19:47:00, November 04, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Torture Act |
| Message | I don't support torture, but this treaty doesn't accomplish anything so I'll support withdrawing. |
| Date | 19:52:39, November 04, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Torture Act |
| Message | Me neither I support torture, I'm not that evil. However, in cases of real national dangers, you won't go thinking at the trauma that guy will receive after the torture. I understand the error margin may be quite high, but it could still make the difference of many lives. Who knows. |
| Date | 19:52:57, November 04, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Torture Act |
| Message | *I don't support torture |
| Date | 22:59:27, November 04, 2005 CET | From | Left Communist Party | To | Debating the Torture Act |
| Message | We will definately not support this barbaric display of troglodyte beliefs. We urge all endorsers of the Capitalizt Party and LPU to withdraw their endorsements. |
| Date | 01:45:27, November 05, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Torture Act |
| Message | I'm not supporting torture. I am supporting withdrawing from this treaty which is useless. This isn't a vote on torture. |
| Date | 10:17:41, November 05, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Torture Act |
| Message | Whatever the supposed uselessness of this treaty this bill is designed to push through laws on torture. For those motives we cannot support it. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 158 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 169 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 73 |
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