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Bill: True liberty
Details
Submitted by[?]: Cooperative Commonwealth Federation
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2137
Description[?]:
| Stripping people of their right to protect and care for one another is not liberty, is is an act of servitude to corporate rule. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Food and beverage labeling regulations.
Old value:: There are no laws concerning food and beverage labeling.
Current: Companies must clearly label food and beverage products, in a manner that can be easily understood.
Proposed: Companies are required to label food and beverage products somewhere on the package.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: Health care is entirely private.
Current: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Proposed: There is a public health care system, but private clinics are allowed.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government regulation of pollution in industry.
Old value:: Industrial pollution is not regulated by the government.
Current: The government enforces highly restrictive industrial pollution standards.
Proposed: The government enforces moderate pollution restrictions.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning private cars.
Old value:: There are no regulations on the ownership of private cars.
Current: Private cars are allowed, but people are encouraged to travel collective and tax incentives are provided for cars using environmentally friendly fuels.
Proposed: Private cars are allowed, but people are encouraged to travel collective and tax incentives are provided for cars using environmentally friendly fuels.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:24:14, November 05, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | This reverses the harmful effect of recent legislation passed during our communal lovefest recently held on the X River. Voting was identical on all these bills, so there will be no splits. It will move to a vote rapidly, unless the Libertarians actually care to debate any of the proposals: perhaps we might be convinced if they offer more persuasive arguments than simply shouting the word "liberty" over and over. |
| Date | 07:18:23, November 05, 2005 CET | From |  Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | We will of course oppose liberty in every form. We do have doubts, however, about this new and imporoved Green Party. Can they be trusted, or is this a gamble we are destined to lose? Incidentally, these are issues that we ARE willing to negotiate. our sacred duty allows us some leeway when necessary, and we invite GA to work with us. We offer: Articles 2 and 5 as is, with our support. In exchange, we demand: Article 6: Fully private, with or without vouchers/subsidies. Article 3: Removed We also request: Article 4: Reduced Article 1: Split |
| Date | 20:45:23, November 05, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | Can we be trusted to support the full Remnants agenda? Certainly not, since we disagree with much of it. We are conservative, not insane. However, we are as always willing to negotiate, even though the votes are there to pass this unchanged. Unfortunately, there is no option for minimal pollution restructions so we can't seek a "reduced" value. We are already proposing a compromise: it was high restriuctions, now it is none, and we are restoring to moderate restrictions, because we do not want to let one person kill another through toxic emissions, as can happen under the new law. There is an option for unenforced guidelines, but this means the same as no guidelines. The education articles have been split, let's do any debating on them on the new bill. |
| Date | 22:28:33, November 05, 2005 CET | From | International Society of Bankers | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | Hoe can you call government control over our lives liberty? This is tryanny. |
| Date | 10:01:13, November 06, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | What happened to removing the health care article? I asked for the bill as is, with education modified, and healthcare removed. Instead you have left healthcare and split education. As I am actually opposed to it all, I must oppose. I thought I had a reasonable suggestion, however. |
| Date | 17:47:44, November 06, 2005 CET | From | Cooperative Commonwealth Federation | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | "Hoe can you call government control over our lives liberty?" How can you call banning food labelling (so that people may be poisoned freely with no law preventing it) and banning measures to protect human life (emissions controls) liberty? Like it says in the bill description: "Stripping people of their right to protect and care for one another is not liberty." People have a basic human right not to suffer the ill effects of toxic emissions from the factory next door. Your right to pollute stops when it inflicts harm and even death on others. The guiding spirit of this party is Sir Robert Peel, not Milton Friedman. I apologize for forgetting to split health care as well, but once again: the votes were there to simply restore the old values. Instead, there are some compromises on offer, such as moderate pollution controls and a debate on education in which we are open to persuasion. The Greens will certainly oppose moves towards stronger government controls, and we have not moved to do things which could easily pass such as eminent domain, but we must stand up for the right of people not to be harmed by other people (food labelling, second-hand emission leading to increased childhood asthma, etc). We might even make some deals: not pressing for public education in exchange for Assembly agreement to cut the Justice budget or sign the CBW disarmament treaty, for instance. |
| Date | 19:57:42, November 06, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | You are opposing a justice department cut(43%) in another bill. |
| Date | 19:58:25, November 06, 2005 CET | From | Tuesday Is Coming | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | And the current value does not ban food labeling, it just doesnt require it. |
| Date | 22:26:08, November 06, 2005 CET | From | International Society of Bankers | To | Debating the True liberty |
| Message | "Stripping people of their right to protect and care for one another is not liberty." There is a difference from a right and something forced upon you. It is like saying that we have a right to life, so euthanasia should be illegal. A right is optional, like a right to education should be. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 156 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 144 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: "Jezvraljogadsrlji" means "Social" in the Jelbic languages. |
| Random quote: "The difference between a republic and a people's republic is a lot like the difference between a jacket and a straightjacket." - Ronald Reagan |