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Bill: Withdrawl of Article V of the Military Command and Control Act of 2677
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Darnussia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2924
Description[?]:
| This bill illegalised the use of party paramilitaries. This made the CPD's organisation, the Red Flag Pirates an illegal group, despite being peaceful and used only to protect speakers at public meetings. Darnussia has strong historic ties with paramilitary organisations, and they have been used many times in the past. However, we feel that numbers should be limited to no more than 15,000 , AND all types of weapons, firearms or otherwise, are not permitted for use by the organisations. Also, it is intresting to note that nuclear weapons are illegal under Darnussian law under the Military Command and Control Act of 2677, and that Darnussia MUSt follow a policy of non-interventionalism. Here is the link to the bill: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=230554 and here is the full text of the bill, completly un-changed: AN ACT to clarify the legality of orders given to the DDR Armed Forces 1) In general, either the President, Prime Minister or the Minister of Defense may issue legal orders to the military acting within DDR territory, to the defense of the Republic, within the territory of the Republic. Should orders be in conflict, the last orders issued shall govern. 2) In general, either the President, Prime Minister or the Minister of Defense may issue legal orders to the DDR military to deploy overseas, only if a valid mutual defense pact exists with the nation troops are ordered to proceed to, for the purposes of aiding in the defense of such nation against hostile forces. In the event of conflict between orders, the military shall hold deployment (if deployment has not yet commenced) until consensus is reached, or shall fortify and hold positions, if already on foreign soil, until consensus is reached. 3) No deployment of forces to foreign soil shall be legal, in the absence of a valid mutual defense pact with the nation to which deployment is ordered, unless such orders are issued jointly by the President, the Prime Minister, and the Minister of Defense. If any office is vacant, the successors to such office (or offices) shall suffice, with the highest ranking available Cabinet minister (or ministers) filling the vacant positions for purposes of this clause. 4) No use of any Weapons of Mass Destruction (chemical, biological, or nuclear weaponry) shall be legal, except on the joint order of the President, Prime Minister, and the Minister of Defense, acting in concert. If either office is vacant, the procedure for filling such vacancy shall be the same as in Clause 3 above. If all government offices are vacant, due to a WMD attack on the government itself, the surviving military chain of command has full emergency authority to unilaterally launch any and all retaliatory strikes, provided it can determine the source of the attack. 5) No military on Darnussian soil, except for the Darnussian Armed Forces, and the allies of Darnussia acting to defend it under legal authority and consent of the Government, shall be permitted to exist. Any so-deemed "paramilitary" forces acting under the authority of a single political party rather than the duly elected Government of Darnussia are deemed illegal assemblies, and the Darnussian Army has plenary authority to engage such hostile forces whereever they may be found. 6) The House of Delegates reserves the power to overrule any deployment of military forces. Its decision shall control over any conflict in orders. The delegations of power listed in this act are subordinate to the power of the National Legislature, and may be revoked or amended by that body at any time. Thank you Mr Speaker, Arthur Bronstein, co-leader of the CPD. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:21:34, April 14, 2010 CET | From | Communist Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Withdrawl of Article V of the Military Command and Control Act of 2677 |
| Message | This can be shortened by saying, we want to re-legalise the use of party paramilitaries, but with strong governmental regulation: "However, we feel that numbers should be limited to no more than 15,000 , AND all types of weapons, firearms or otherwise, are not permitted for use by the organisations." |
| Date | 16:54:00, April 14, 2010 CET | From | Rerum Novarum Party | To | Debating the Withdrawl of Article V of the Military Command and Control Act of 2677 |
| Message | Paramilitaries should be allowed, however, if people support them, they are allowed to support in any way that the law shall permit. This bill requires reworking. |
| Date | 08:26:08, April 16, 2010 CET | From | Partidul Aristocraţie | To | Debating the Withdrawl of Article V of the Military Command and Control Act of 2677 |
| Message | "Also, it is intresting to note that nuclear weapons are illegal under Darnussian law under the Military Command and Control Act of 2677, and that Darnussia MUSt follow a policy of non-interventionalism. " You are incorrect. The use of nuclear weapons is controlled by Article IV of the law - it does not ban WMDs, it only requires that their use require the joint approval of the Head of State, Head of Government, and Minister of Defense (or their designated substitutes in the event of vacancies) It also does not mandate non-intervention - it allows the government to deploy forces either Article 2) In support of a validly entered into mutual defense treaty (by any valid government officer entitled to give orders to the military), or Article 3) On the order of the Head of State, Head of Government, and Minister of Defense, jointly, or Article 6) On the decision of the Legislature as a whole |
| Date | 08:26:59, April 16, 2010 CET | From | Partidul Aristocraţie | To | Debating the Withdrawl of Article V of the Military Command and Control Act of 2677 |
| Message | PS - the above is a statement by a former member of the Surprise Party (which wrote the original 2677 act) and not the PNC - I just saw this bill and wanted to clarify what the original purpose was so you're not confused on it |
| Date | 15:39:24, April 16, 2010 CET | From | Rerum Novarum Party | To | Debating the Withdrawl of Article V of the Military Command and Control Act of 2677 |
| Message | OOC the nuclear weapons legislation which is covered by the game system decides the Darnussian stance on nuclear technology; not RP bills (treaties will affect this); see PC "the system comes first". Considering that the MCCA of 2677 does not have a clone RP bill; it is not propagated and therefore not a law which can be expected to be enforced. As such, this withdrawal is entirely unnecessary in the first place, but there will be more done about the old RP bills soon to clear up this muddle. |
| Date | 01:18:34, April 17, 2010 CET | From | Partidul Aristocraţie | To | Debating the Withdrawl of Article V of the Military Command and Control Act of 2677 |
| Message | At the time the MCCA was passed, Darnussian law did allow for a nuclear stockpile. I am unaware of whether the law still provides for that. However, this law only regulates "who can press the button" really - a reaction to the nuclear-armed civil war a century previous, mostly. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 61 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 124 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 25 |
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