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Bill: Religious School Regulation Compromise
Details
Submitted by[?]: Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2946
Description[?]:
| To establish a set of regulations that fulfills both sides goals. The following regulations shall be put on Religious Schools: 1. Religious Schools must teach the same curriculum as secular schools. 2. No Religious Activity's can take place during school class. They may only take place after the children have all of their Secular class's and children must be given other alternatives of things to do and allowed to go home during Religious Classes. The child's decision must be completely anonymous and not told to his/her parents or any other authority. 3. Breaks between class's shall be allowed for mass and prayer, but children must be allowed to play games, go outside, or go home during this time. They must be given sufficient alternatives to prayer and allowed to remain anonymous from any authority over them. 4. The school must be run by the staff and the education must be free. No profit may be made unless it all goes back to school funding and salary's among all workers. Parents are not allowed to: 1. Send their children to Religious School against their wishes. 2. Intimate their children to believe in their Religion and/or go to Religious School. 3. Force their children to act in Religious Activity's even if its family tradition. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.
Current: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Proposed: Any religion may set up a school, but they are strictly regulated.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:54:55, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | This is a good policy and is perfectly reasonable. We thank the Communist Freedom Party for being willing to compromise and shall vote for this proposal. |
| Date | 19:12:36, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Anarcho-Primitivist Concern | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | Children are not aware of their wishes, they must be able to form their own opinions in non-dogmatic environments. And I am not sure how you plan to make choice of whether to go to mass or to the playground anonymous. How does one organise an anonymous playground? How will one ensure that parents don't force their children into going to religious schools even if they don't want to? The state does not regulate on the forms of persuasive measures parents can use on their children. There's no laws on payment of pocket money, the severity of guilt trips allowed, etc. OOC: Also, "their", rather than "there". "I" when it's a person, "here" when it's a place. I know I'm being an awful pedant, sorry about that. |
| Date | 19:40:28, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | While it may not be perfect for the RMS, we think this is a great compromise and a step forward. |
| Date | 20:03:19, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | There will ALWAYS be bias, even in a secular school. There may be a teacher who is personally religious, there is no doubt she/he would unintentional place a bias. The child will be anonymous from his parents and family. Not from the school. Child Protective Services. This law states parents may not imitate there children. |
| Date | 22:19:39, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Anarcho-Primitivist Concern | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | There is always a bias, nut in religious schools it can be systematic and institutional. Not to mention that in secular schools teachers don't know whether pupils attend religious services and do not offer them as part of "the life of the school". |
| Date | 22:53:09, May 28, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | Religious schools would have to teach the same curriculum, intentionally putting religious beliefs in the curriculum would be illegal. |
| Date | 05:26:10, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Dark Templar (LL) | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | it saddens us to see our comrade getting brainwashed by the oppressiveness of religion. Religion is nothing more than a simple tool that capitalists use to control the masses and justify their actions. Religion is the disease in Ikradon and we are the cure. -High Templar Vesskar, Minister of Education and Culture |
| Date | 14:41:26, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | We are sadden by the oppressive views of the Dark Templar. That religion is a disease, is solely the opinion of DT and the LL. Religion must be seen as free thought and freedom of belief. Just like one who blindly accepts and follow science, others should be allowed to do that to religion also. |
| Date | 15:51:27, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | We ask The Dark Templar why, if they say that religion is somehow opressive, they would be happy to opress those who believe in a religion? Surely they can see the hypocrisy in this statement. |
| Date | 17:07:46, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | Are members are predominately atheist, as I the press reporter. But it is the opinion of my party that although religion is the opium of the masses it is of no use to oppress religious people. But rather teach them they are wrong. We think religion is very sicking, but we don't want to ban it. |
| Date | 17:08:33, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | We would also like to state, in the current political situation we do not have the support to keep the ban. |
| Date | 17:10:14, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Dark Templar (LL) | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | You cannot oppress a parasite, you merely exterminate it. One cannot blindly follow science, because they will learn about it at school but if we allow these hateful and often violent practices to continue within our great nation we see our people lured back into the days when our great republic was overrun with the disease of false gods. Our party has continued to have the same stance on religion since our parties founding and it would seem as if the people have embraced the word. (ooc: the byrd is the word) -High Templar Vesskar, Minister of Education and Culture |
| Date | 18:46:16, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | How the Minister, a government Minister, can condemn religious freedom as a "disease" and make blanket assumptions about religious practices such as prayer being somehow barbaric is very much beyond me. Annd since he thinks that people's deeply held beliefs are so vile, I wonder why then he was so ready to condem attacks on his deeply held belifs? But I think the more important point here is thus. This is a party of government that wants to take away a fundamental right. Despite Mr Saxon's brief intervention, we have had for a long time a Dark Templar head of state. Does he then share these views. Would he gladly trample on basic rights for political ends? |
| Date | 19:30:00, May 29, 2010 CET | From | Anarcho-Primitivist Concern | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | We at the RMS would like to officially distance ourselves from the hateful remarks made by our good friends in the Leftist League, but we would also like to explain our position in more depth. We agree with The Dark Templar and and the Communist Freedom Party on many aspects of religion. To quote a prominent CFP politician from two months ago "...religion is not to be in SCHOOLS but in CHURCH." We agree with them on this, and we understand why they think this compromise will work. But as it leaves children under the power of a systematic group of people whose aim is to indoctrinate them into a particular faith, we see this bill as damaging to children's freedom. We don't believe they have fully considered how being educated in an environment where every member of the staff is required to tow the line with the particular religion's dogma can be harmful for students. Even if the content is not specific, the fact that these children will have no role models with different religious views to their parents means that they get a dis-balanced view of adult life. We agree with Dark Templar inasmuch as we are a strictly secular party. And we respect the views of anti-religious citizens. Many of our party members share these views. I am willing to admit that I personally believe that religion is a disease of the human mind and that humanity would greatly benefit from its complete eradication. But many party members disagree with me. Even on the higher levels. For instance, Samantha Kallisti is a woman of faith in her own way. We discuss this issue often, and we remain friends despite not sharing a view on this. Remember, when Marx said that religion is the opium of the people, he meant that it was an expression of human suffering in an idealised form. We broadly agree with this analysis and think that religion is a social phenomenon based on economic factors. But the issue of what drives religion has no baring on the issue of whether or not God exists. --Thom Cromwell, General Secretary of the RMS Politburo |
| Date | 01:30:41, May 30, 2010 CET | From | Dark Templar (LL) | To | Debating the Religious School Regulation Compromise |
| Message | High Templar Vesskar speaks the truth, no longer will Ikradon cling to religion like a drowning men clinging to drift wood. The Dark Templar has had a long history of protecting Ikradons citizens from these practices and we have remained a top party in Ikradon throughout our parties history. -Twilight Archon, Vladimir Madinkov |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 405 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 194 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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