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Bill: For a Freeman's Ikradon
Details
Submitted by[?]: Mountain Man Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2965
Description[?]:
| Our rights shouldn't be messed with, even during a "state of emergency". |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: The police may only disperse a crowd if a state of emergency has been declared.
Current: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Proposed: There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Curfew policy (curfew time to be determined in the bill description).
Old value:: Local governments may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Current: The national government may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Proposed: No curfew policies may be established.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:45:55, July 04, 2010 CET | From |  Anarcho-Primitivist Concern | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | If you put it forward, we will support this. |
| Date | 21:49:37, July 04, 2010 CET | From | Dark Templar (LL) | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | during a state of emergency it is vital that the government can control the chaos of frighted (not sure if I am spelling that right) citizens or to simply put down that common rebellion that could arise in any situation like this; we oppose. |
| Date | 22:16:56, July 04, 2010 CET | From | Mountain Man Party | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | "State of emergency" is just a term guv'ments use to abuse our rights when things aren't a-goin' their way. |
| Date | 22:45:12, July 04, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | So we should care about the individual, instead of the good of everyone? A nation in chaos is not a 'freeman's Ikradon'. Would you feel safe and free if everyone around you starts to riot? And when the government doesn't do anything, people are quick to blame the government for standing by when chaos rule. We shall not support. |
| Date | 00:29:22, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Mountain Man Party | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | This isn't an individual versus community debate. Orderin' curfews and stoppin' people from gatherin' together ain't gonna solve any problems, it's just a way of ignorin' the problem and hopin' it all goes away. We want to keep the guv'ment from declarin' a "state of emergency" just to quiet dissent. |
| Date | 01:02:17, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | So the government should just stand by and do nothing when chaos arise?! Is that the way to maintain order?! |
| Date | 02:02:19, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Lyika ati Isọdọtun | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | We will support this bill. |
| Date | 05:50:26, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | So both the FFP and the MMP see no right for a 'state of emergency' to be declared at any time? Should society and the public be subjected with so much individual freedom, that chaos can rule in the streets? Should we really not care about the safety of our public? |
| Date | 09:22:37, July 05, 2010 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | We do not support this bill. |
| Date | 16:28:22, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | We agree with this. |
| Date | 18:51:36, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Mountain Man Party | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | Ain't nothing wrong with respondin' to a crisis, but the guv'ment has to do it in a way that don't infer with our rights. We don't want to guv'ment to get to comfy takin' rights away and they start a-thinkin' they kind of like "states of emergency". |
| Date | 20:20:28, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Dark Templar (LL) | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | ha so the SLD and the FFP both support this? interesting... |
| Date | 20:53:06, July 05, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | What about the right of a safe environment? The right of walking in the streets without fear of getting hurt or injured? Don't those count? |
| Date | 18:15:05, July 06, 2010 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | No, because thats just BS designed to opress. Of corse that sort of stuff is to be expected of communism and the Nazi SCI. |
| Date | 05:07:16, July 07, 2010 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the For a Freeman's Ikradon |
| Message | So we should just leave the people to oppress themselves, with riots that could injure, and hurt and maybe even kill innocent civilians. The government has a responsibility to protect it's people, even from themselves if need be. Standing by and letting chaos reign is totally unacceptable! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 338 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 412 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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