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Bill: Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Socialist Union
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2968
Description[?]:
| It is in the SPU's party program to reform the role of His Majesty into a purely ceremonial one. We would like to open debate on this matter. The plan proposed by the SPU involved the creation of the office of "Governor General", who is elected by the people, and takes over the constitutional powers of the monarch today - i.e. signing laws into power, appointing a part or person to form a government, etc. What do the other parties think of this? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: His Most Royal and Serene Majesty King Arthur I
Current: His Imperial and Most Excellent Royal Majesty, Maximillian of House Steuart-Carmichael, King and Monarch of Hutori, High Chieftain of the Mashacara People, Prince of Orange-Vilyan, Vanuku, Dolgava, Lourenne, Kazullia & Dorvik, Grand Duke of Geharon & Iztapalata, Duke of Stormkapp, Karzon, Carolleux & Bellemont, Count of Ackerly, Lord Sovereign of the Order of the Golden Lion, Supreme Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces, Defender of the Constitution and the Faith
Proposed: First Tribune and Representative of His Most Royal and Serene Majesty King Arthur I
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:20:02, July 10, 2010 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | The SPU strongly believes that no power in this nation, whatsoever, should be held by people who are either not elected or appointed by elected officials, and therefore wishes to reduce the power of the monarchy to a purely ceremonial role. We understand the importance of the monarchy to Hutori's history and people, and therefore, in no way, wish to abolish it nor revoke any of His Majesty's titles, honours and privileges. |
| Date | 15:14:19, July 10, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | If this where to happen, then I would rather we return to the title of "first tribune" rather than Governer General. |
| Date | 15:38:30, July 10, 2010 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | Well, names are, obviously, the most trivial of matter in these things. The essence is what matters. |
| Date | 02:28:41, July 11, 2010 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | The proposal has been changed to include First Tribune. How does the LP stand on this matter? |
| Date | 15:42:26, July 11, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | We would support this, however we need to make sure that the monarchy is not dissolved altogether with this sudden loss of powers of the monarch. As such we would vote in favour of this bill, if you first ratify this treaty: http://classic.particracy.net/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=1054 Would this be agreeable? |
| Date | 19:11:07, July 11, 2010 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Union | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | Of course, the SPU has no desire to dissolve the monarchy. |
| Date | 19:39:17, July 11, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | We are against this bill. A similar set-up, with subtle differences, has been attempted in the past and worked for a while, but the people desired to see their monarchy return to its full former glory. This particular proposal does not appeal to us because you basically have two identical figures and it would be confusing to determine what is classed as ceremonial and what as constitutional! If we were to reform the system, we would rather it went back to the mixed Head of State, with the monarchy, Speaker and First Tribune sitting together as representatives of the nation, Parliament and the people respectively, offering advice to the government and carryign out ceremonial duties. However, we believe the status quo should be retained. OOC: Could I also advise that this bill not be passed. You would need the monarchical part of the title to be at the beginning and First Tribune at the end for it to make sense. It should, if anything read "His Most Royal and Serene Majesty King Arthur I and First Tribune....." |
| Date | 11:25:46, July 12, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | I agree with this bill, and will vote for it, However, it will make no sense, we will end up with... "First Tribune and Representative of His Most Royal and Serene Majesty King Arthur I Tony Blair" It doesnt make sense. Maybe add a comma after the name of his majesty? |
| Date | 11:26:42, July 12, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | I agree with this bill, and will vote for it, However, it will make no sense, we will end up with... "First Tribune and Representative of His Most Royal and Serene Majesty King Arthur I Tony Blair" It doesnt make sense. Maybe add a comma after the name of his majesty? |
| Date | 11:35:42, July 12, 2010 CET | From | Conservative-Libertarian Party (UM) | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | If there is agreement between the two parties on this issue, could I suggest: "His Most Royal and Serene Majesty King Arthur I, and His representative, First Tribune ______" Obviously, there is now some consensus behind a plural Head of State, and we would like to suggest that we return to the status quo ante, that had the monarch, the elected First Tribune and the Speaker of the House sharing the responsibilities of Head of State. |
| Date | 19:19:26, July 12, 2010 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | Baron Michael Mancini, NSC Leader, The NSC has returned, yet again to contest power in Hutori. May we make our first adress to the nation regarding possibly the biggest issue to the nation - the Monarchy! We restored the Monarchy with the CLP and FFF and this betrayal by the Labour Party is a complete disgrace. They stated and assured us that they were a 'royalist party' yet here they are - all but removing the Monarchy except in name. This is a complete nonsence and the Monarchy should remain in Hutori. Hopefully, this Act will not pass and at the next elections the NSC and CLP gain enough seats to prevent an establishment of a Hutorian Republic. The Monarchy oversees Hutori's legacy and political well-being and to see such a critical institution abolished at a whim by the SPU and Labour is not far short of a disaster! |
| Date | 22:00:42, July 12, 2010 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Constitutional Reform: Ceremonial Role for the Monarchy |
| Message | Bébhinn Alastríona, Leader Of The Labour Party, As we have debated before, we have always supported the monarchy, but have always believed that the office of first tribune should have remained. There is absolutely no contradiction of values here. If the HNP wish to return and meddle in our nations affairs again, then may I suggest they do it with some dignity and not return to their typical manipulative and conniving selves. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 200 | |
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |
| abstain |
Total Seats: 191 |
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