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Bill: Coalition Government
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sue's Corner
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2978
Description[?]:
| Because we need to have a system where parties are free to form majority governments with election results based on the national vote rather than the presidential one. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:49:30, July 31, 2010 CET | From |  Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | This law is a one which needs changing for the purpose that no party has won an outright majority in decades. They rarely do. We need to focus our energies on the best way we can put a government together to govern the nation in a stable fashion. It is fine to allow the winner of the Presidency race to become President and Head of State as would be expected, but what gives he/she the right to form the cabinet as the national results surely reflect the national mood of what people think of the parties. Also the presidential winner is not always the winner of the national senate race, as it is often personalty versus politics respectively in those seperate races/campaigns. The idea is also the most pragmatic solution, for giving the country a stable coalition government. If say hypothetically, our party and the left radicals teamed up we would have 51 seats together and a majority of one and no matter how many of you other parties agreed, during this term, you couldn't overthrow us. Meaning the government would be stable from attack, secure from break up and able to get on governing the country. It would also be the most reflective of the national mood, because as it would require 51% of seats to form, it would mean at least 51% of the nations vote would be considered when forming these governments. I really think this has to be the new system our nation adopts, to ensure that peoples votes are not ignored and that we can stabilise democracy and government and put the nations interests first. Sylvia O Hara, Deputy Conservative Leader and Shadow Minister for Political Reformation. Sylvia O Hara Deputy Conservative Leader |
| Date | 00:12:40, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | "Coalition agreements lie within the perview of either the Head of State or the Largest Party to conform accurately with democratic mandate. The CUP believes that this should remain the case." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 00:55:52, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | We understand people wanting the largest party or the president to have control over forming coalitions, but if this proves unworkable, and other parties can form a majority government, then why shouldn't they be allowed too? After all they would need a majority in the senate and therefore a majority of voters to have backed them, meaning a coalition government would have over 51% of the senate/public support. I hope some parties will consider this when voting, we really need pragmatic and democratic change. Sylvia O Hara, Deputy Tory Leader. |
| Date | 01:06:39, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | "The Supreme President is elected to manage and command the Executive. That is their function as Head of State. They should have the ultimate role in chosing the Ministers of the State." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 01:07:51, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | If they can't? |
| Date | 01:19:27, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | "It is the responsibility of the sitting Supreme President, duely elected, to do so or call an election and move aside. Every CUP Supreme President who has been unable to form a cabinet has called an early election." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 01:32:35, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | Then this would be a highly arrogant and unpragmatic way of dealing with the election result. It ignores the electorates choice, and tells them they got their vote wrong. As politicians, we should be more mature, and consider the publics vote and react to it in a pragmatic way. Sylvia O Hara. |
| Date | 01:40:31, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | "And yet, here we stand. A radical leftist Supreme President unable to form a coalition and a right-wing not strong enough to counter-govern. It would seem that even with this proposal, our situation would be the same Ms. O'Hara." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 02:50:28, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | How? We have 51 seats between my party, your party and the crowns. This would form a majority government which could not be overturned. So under this proposal it would allow parties with similar views to form a majority, rather than have a sitting duck president and ministers in the government, whose party has no seats. (Social Demos) How is the right wing not strong enough to counter govern at the moment? I believe our party is delivering an effective opposition, not least of all by leading the campaign on this issue. Sylvia O Hara, Deputy Leader. |
| Date | 12:35:37, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | "Because your party believes us to be leftist and ours believes you to be statist. We therefore refuse to enter coalition, as you have been informed even before the election, and thus you and the monarchists have no workable majority. The right wing is fractured into three parties who cannot work together in opposition let alone in Governance. No. This proposal is fruitless. It would have no effect." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 16:16:48, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | Perhaps not in this case, but it could very well work in the future. Sylvia O Hara. |
| Date | 16:18:31, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | "And we shall support it when it becomes benneficial to the electorate. At this time however, it is pointless." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 16:19:54, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | Just because we cannot form a coalition, doesn't mean some other parties at present cannot. We need to make progression on this issue. Sylvia O Hara. |
| Date | 16:23:46, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | "No other parties have come forward with a coalition plan. The only option put forth was your own which was soundly rejected." Eleanore Lehres, CUP Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 16:36:36, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | By you, that isn't particularly sound. Thanks to the inability of immature parties, not to put differences aside, new governments cannot be formed, this plan cannot work and we now have unelected ministers in the cabinet as the Social Democrats have no seats. It will be clear to the electorate who has and who has not tried to get over party politics and deal with the election results we have recieved. Damon Burns, Party leader. |
| Date | 21:42:51, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | "I believe this matter to be resolved." Eleanore Lehres, Senate Warden CUP Senatorial Lead |
| Date | 22:54:57, August 01, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Coalition Government |
| Message | In this term it has, but we will have to look again at this in the future. The debate isn't over. Damon Burns, Party leader. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 12 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 78 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 10 |
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