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Bill: Government Crime Paper
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sue's Corner
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2982
Description[?]:
| The new Internal Affairs Secretary, Jackie Ferguson presents a government paper on crime to the senate. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Current: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Proposed: Police officers carry standard firearms.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners are interned and do not work in prisons.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change
The government's stance on illegal aliens.
Old value:: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but expels them from the country when discovered.
Current: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but expels them from the country when discovered.
Proposed: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and expels them from the country.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.
Old value:: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.
Current: Adult individuals are allowed to own and purchase guns freely.
Proposed: Adult individuals may not own firearms unless professionally required.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:24:05, August 09, 2010 CET | From |  Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | It is important I explain my decision to the senate on these policy decisions. On Article one, rather than giving people licences to hold guns, my department feels it would be a better solution to only give guns unless they are professionally required such as if ones occupation requires it. On Article two, it is right that police spend some time tracking down illegal aliens and ensuring their expulsion, on Article three, we expect police to do a tough job, we expect them to be able to be safe in order for us to be safe. Therefore we propose training and arming our officers with firearms so they can safely do their jobs and protect us. If an armed robber approached an unarmed police officer, what would that police officer do? Finally, it is about time prisoners gave back to the community and worked. They are in prison to be punished and to pay for their crimes, not to relax and play console games. This scheme enables able prisoners into work and we will ensure from local government level, that charities can benefit from the work prisoners do. Prisoners can complete work such as laundry work for local hospitals, schools and hospicies. They can gave back to their communities and pay for their crimes. I will take sensible questions from the senate. Jackie Ferguson Internal Affairs Secretary |
| Date | 02:44:54, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | "Well we had expectations My Lord Warden, but they are far from met. Article 1 of this Act sees the right to self defence stripped from the people. Instantly, a black market is created and guns become a crime, an entire new crime is created and a country already full of guns has to deal with it. How does the Minister aid this process? He doesn't. Instead, he chooses to strip our police forces of their specially trained armed units. These units are not on the beat, they are special units for emergency deployment. Our average officer on the street is already unarmed, and yet the Government see fit to strip them of their armed back-up. In a country which has just created a gun blackmarket? As if to add salt into the wound, we then see that they are sending these completely unarmed officers out into the streets of Solentia to search for illegal immigrants. Immigrants, who I might add My Lord Warden, already ignore our border laws and thus can be safely assumed to be ignoring other laws as well. Gun laws being a major example. Potentially armed illegal immigrants are actually being saught after by an unarmed police force. Tell me, is the Government trying to stealthily control our rising population or are they actually intent on killing our police officers? Sending them into dangerous situations unarmed, without armed backup, on purpose? And to top it all off My Lord Warden, the Lady wants to put prisoners to work. Instead of keeping them idle as a punishment, she wants to give them something to pass the time, make life go quicker for them. For a party that ranted its way through opposition on stances of tough prisons, we are surprised at these proposals. Soft. Soft. Soft. A watery police force, an armed crime scene, a newly created blackmarket and happy-go-lucky working prisons. Why, next she'll be suggesting we PAY them for their work!" Asbjørn Holm, Shadow Secretary of State for Internal Affairs. |
| Date | 03:18:17, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | What a load of nonsense, the reason the minister is a SHADOW minister, is because his government was soft on crime and I found the dept in a complete mess. Despite opinion polls being conducted in the press saying people want some of these reforms, the CUP still oppose. Opposition for oppositions sake. Under their leadership crime rose, and they want to see police continued to be unarmed whilst tackling armed criminals, they would like to see the gun laws lessened rather than tightened, and they would like to see the prisoners of this country continuing to enjoy the game consoles his government enforced in prisons. Finally the CUP motto on crime and justice "Why make prisoners do hard long days of work, when they can sit about playing computer games and being waited on by prison warders." The CUP can lecture NOBODY on crime and the impact it has, after their appaling record in office and their failure to support tougher crime measures. The CUP 'soft on crime, soft on criminals, soft on the causes of crime and tough on victims.' Socialist scumbags. Mrs. Jackie Ferguson Interior Minister |
| Date | 11:54:24, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | "They talk of being tough My Lord Warden, and yet what do the facts tell us? They want to strip the nation of the right to self-defence in the face of rising Nuncirism. Cowardly. They want to strip the police of armed support in the face of a newly fomed gun blackmarket which will need to be tackled at once. Dangerous. And they want to send said unarmed officers to seek out potentially armed illegal immigrants. Mellow, wishy-washy Liberal ideas of a police force melded with communist prisons and soft, weak, watery gun laws that grant nobody the right to self-defence. Letting the criminal win." Asbjørn Holm, Shadow Secretary of State for Internal Affairs. |
| Date | 17:05:36, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | We will institute a bill reestablishing the right of self armament, the good Senator Holm be rest assured. -Senate Warden |
| Date | 17:11:34, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | Is this CUP that unintelligent? We have proposed every officer to be armed, yet they still say we are sending unarmed officers to deal with armed criminals? Errr.... No. The opposite. Every measure will reduce crime and make the polices job easier, as they have told us. We listen to the police, he did the opposite. I think it is clear to see how bitter the CUP are that there is now a government in place, managing the security and crime levels of this country, something we all know too well the Unionist party never managed. 3 Years in government, 0 reforms nd mass crime rises. He wants to lecture us? Get real senator, get real! Jackie Ferguson Internal Affairs Secretary |
| Date | 17:42:47, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | "The CUP thanks the Crown Party for their common sense and pragmatism, it is good to see that some parties at least share the CUP's care for civil liberties and right of self-defence. We wish our police officers the best of luck in tackling crime despite the Governments apparent intent to remove specially trained firearms units and kill our officers. Reform for reform's own sake, rather radical we find. We tend to prefer a sensible conservative approach, much akin to the Crown Party apparently." Asbjørn Holm, Shadow Secretary of State for Internal Affairs. |
| Date | 17:58:27, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | Also, could we add on being 'soft on prisoners' rich to say the least, there is an option to pay prisoners for their work and we chose NOT to go for that, but to go for forcing able prisoners to work and not to be paid for it, rather than being treat like hoteliers as the unionists want. We are taking the sensible and pragmatic approach and arming officers so they don't die and can tackle armed robbers etc. We get tough, the unionists are renouned for the weaknesses and again I repeat- not one single measure brought against crime despite them promising it. Weak, Weak, Weak! Jackie Ferguson Internal Affairs Secretary |
| Date | 18:07:32, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | "I'm sorry but where is the toughness in cutting specially trained firearms units? Where is the toughness in ridding our police force of all armed backup? If there is an emergency on the streets, our police officers would have no backup under this Act to come to assist, they'd be relying on standard firearms with no specially trained unit to step-in. That is plain watery. The Minister's Department has our police services without backup and tries to remove right to self-defence, which they still haven't addressed. They are running scared of crime. Under the CUP Administration, officers had specially trained back-up to step-in during emergencies, prisoners were interned and were not permitted to spend their days doing laundy, ironing or anyother flamboyantly needless activity, citizens of Solentia had the right to defend themselves and we certainly did not send officers searching for immigrants without back-up when they should be on the beat. We will leave it here, as stated, we are pleased the Crown Party have seen reason on self-defence and we will let the facts speak for themselves." Asbjørn Holm, Shadow Secretary of State for Internal Affairs. |
| Date | 18:33:31, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | Well we have addressed the issue, I will do so again for the ignorant member. We have at no point, and will at no point cut the backup that police officers get. All the act does is allow police on the beat to have firearms, it doesn't and won't cut the backup services police officers depend on. Also under the CUP adminstration, you could get away with being a prisoner, playing on your game console and doing nothing all day long while the state paid for your visit. Crime rates and reoffending rates have shot up for a reason, and his government did nothing about it. This act is a progmatic level of change, dealing with crime and it is a shame the Unionists cannot get over their large egos to support, opposition for opposition sake, socialist scum won't back tough measures on crime and allowing police to be safe and do their job. Jackie Ferguson Internal Affairs Minister |
| Date | 19:01:33, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | Order. We shall have order. Senate Warden Lord Belisarious |
| Date | 20:29:04, August 09, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | Apologies, senate warden. We realise the CUP repuation and we are sorry for being goaded. |
| Date | 16:50:00, August 10, 2010 CET | From | Social Justice Party | To | Debating the Government Crime Paper |
| Message | The SDA was compelled to abstain from this vote as Article 3 is a direct violation on personal liberty in that no scope is provided for there to be sufficient reason for a house to be searched. The SDA does however fully support the 3 other proposals. Sandra Baines Internal Affairs Spokesperson |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 54 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 27 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 19 |
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