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Bill: Prison Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Dolgaria Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2140
Description[?]:
| The bill, if enacted, will force all able-bodied men to do physical labor in prisons. Article 2 will save us money needlessly thrown away on trying to teach vicious, half-animal murderers and rapists. Sorry, but I couldn't think of a better title. ;-) |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Education in prisons.
Old value:: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Current: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Proposed: Prisoners are not given any form of education.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:45:09, November 11, 2005 CET | From |  United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Prison Bill |
| Message | Add comments please, because I am moving this bill on to vote tomorrow evening, Friday, (New York time, ;-)) to raise my visibility before Saturday's elections. However, I will have a chance to look at all the comments tomorrow and maybe even fulfill some of your requests. |
| Date | 08:13:14, November 11, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Prison Bill |
| Message | We prefer the current situation. Educating prisoners gives them skills other than safe-breaking, knife skills and the like that they can use in gainful employment. Paying prisoners a small wage (well below minimum wage, because as prisoners they now have no rights), gives them such a taste of 'gainful employment', so that their chances of re-offending are that much reduced. In essence we are very much in the 'prison is there to re-educate and prevent re-offending' camp, rather than the 'prison is there to keep criminals off the street' camp. What is the point of locking someone away for a few years only for them to steal a car within 24 hours of exiting prison? |
| Date | 02:19:45, November 12, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Prison Bill |
| Message | They'll steal the car anyway, education or no education. But, anyway, this is mostly for my visibility. |
| Date | 04:19:14, November 12, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Prison Bill |
| Message | With you cpd |
| Date | 05:31:06, November 12, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the Prison Bill |
| Message | Ever heard the term slave labor? Just because they are prisoners, doesn't mean they are not human beings. I agree with Article I, but not II. |
| Date | 05:36:06, November 12, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the Prison Bill |
| Message | To clarify why I disagree with Article II: Criminals, even though convicted of illegal behavior, are not property of the state. Other than forfieting their rights of freedom, they do not forfiet their rights to be treated as human beings. We should not force them to work (nor should we educate them, but that can be changed later). |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 158 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 351 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 49 |
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