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Bill: Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal
Details
Submitted by[?]: Coalition for National Unity [CNU]
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2986
Description[?]:
| Wirrten by: Henry, Lord Kennedy, CMP Spokesman for Social Incentive and Democracy, Chancellor of the Solentian Democratic Alliance Proposed by: Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. THIS ACT IN NO WAY REPRESENTS THE OFFICIAL POLICY OF THE CENTRE MODERATE PARTY. It is proposed on behalf of the Alliance and is granted Senatorial backing by the CMP as a matter of Alliance loyalty. ---On the Name of the Nation--- Current: Federal Republic of Solentia Proposed: Solentian Commonwealth ---On the Head of State--- Proposed: Lord Belisarius to become Head of State |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Proposed: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Proposed: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Appointments and requirements for government employees.
Old value:: All government employees have to promise political independence.
Current: Government employees are selected and appointed in a political way.
Proposed: Government employees are selected and appointed in a political way.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The title of the head of government, who chairs the cabinet.
Old value:: Senate Warden
Current: Wazir (Chief Minister)
Proposed: Chancellor
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Supreme President
Current: Amir al-Mu'minin (Emir of the Faithful)
Proposed: Lord Protector
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Senate
Current: Loya Jirga (Grand Council)
Proposed: Chamber of Commons
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change The official title of subnational entities, also known as regions.
Old value:: State
Current: Province(s) (Welayat)
Proposed: Shire
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:20:19, August 16, 2010 CET | From |  Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "I yield the floor to discussion." Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. |
| Date | 16:30:38, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | Agree and will support 1, 2 and 7. Coleen Power |
| Date | 16:41:09, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | We support the bill as it stands. |
| Date | 16:41:58, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "Would the Conservative Party be able to support the titular changes to match the consitutuional reality as established in articles 1, 2 and 7?" Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. |
| Date | 17:42:51, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Social Justice Party | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | The SDLP would support proposals 2,3 and 5. SDLP National Committee |
| Date | 17:43:50, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "The CMP urges leftist parties in particular to view the merits of this Act. Whilst we appreciate the hesitation regarding Monarchy, we would like to point out that this bill allows for a Senatorially-appointed Lord Protector, rather than a King. The role of the Executive is thus minimalised and the Senate reigns Sovereign. The Lord Protector can, under law, be removed and replaced at our leisure. It would be the ultimate compromise candidate and would represent the will of the Senate, so democratically elected. We feel that this is especially true due to the new ability of the Chamber to propose cabinets, rather than the Head of State." Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. |
| Date | 17:44:58, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Social Renewal Party | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | No-one will be surprised that we stand firmly against this monarchial nonsense! Make no mistake, should senators be so out-of-touch as to vote through this travesty, the Left Radical Party will dismantle it at the first opportunity. |
| Date | 17:48:39, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "I remind the LRP that this is not a Monarchist proposal, but an attempt to create a compromised, democratic ceremonial Head of State." Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. OOC: There is no option for a ceremonial Head of State, but this would essentially be it. By Particracy rules, when we wanted to change Lord Protector, we would vote on a resolution and with 2/3rds majroity, the mods would change the name. It is effectivly a Senatorially-elected position but thats not available in the game mechanics thus this is the closest. |
| Date | 17:55:07, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Social Renewal Party | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | It's an attempt to implement monarchy in all but name. We see no merit in adopting a ceremonial head of state and feel very strongly that the Supreme Presidency and its associated executive and exclusive powers has served Solentia exceptionally well. We're similarly opposed to the attempt to re-fashion the familiar names of our institutions for those of no relevance to modern day Solentians. The Left Radical Party's vehement opposition to this constitutional change is restated. |
| Date | 17:59:19, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | Possibly. We would like some debate on the titles though. Chancellor and Lord Protector seem a little odd, we need to have a proper debate on them and I would support. I will oppose this bill and propose one with Articles one, two and seven. Coleen Power Deputy Tory Leader |
| Date | 18:00:44, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "Do try and avoid attempting to place Supreme President Toynbee on a throne this time." Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. |
| Date | 18:02:36, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | Do try and shut up. Coleen Power |
| Date | 18:04:41, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "I would, had you not just done exactly what we warned about." Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. |
| Date | 18:09:22, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | That you yourself have done. |
| Date | 18:11:06, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "I reccomend you read the opening of this Bill closely." Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. |
| Date | 18:13:19, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | Same job, different title. You are quickly losing my patience. Coleen Power |
| Date | 18:14:36, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "Lord Belisarius is not Supreme President Toynbee." Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. |
| Date | 18:15:07, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | Who is he? |
| Date | 18:15:40, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | You cannot just appoint random people to the position. OOC- This would have no IG bearing. |
| Date | 18:17:44, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | "The Senate is Sovereign, we can do what we will." Senator Asbjørn Holm, CMP Senatorial Lead on behalf of the Solentian Democratic Alliance. OOC: Yes, it would. As exmplained, you put the name onto the forums and the mods change the nation's details to match what is passed. |
| Date | 18:20:31, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC- Well you need to explain who he is. I will also ammend my legislation so that he is included instead of the current President. |
| Date | 18:21:00, August 16, 2010 CET | From |  Nuncpart Supreme Congress | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC: Unless it's changed since when I was last around, it's required by the mods to elect the proposed monarch first. |
| Date | 18:25:31, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC: I'll need to double check that, what about when a Monarch dies IG? Are the players still required to elect the sucessor or will a legislative confirmation suffice? |
| Date | 18:28:02, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Nuncpart Supreme Congress | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC: You would need to change the constitution, elect a successor and change it again. |
| Date | 18:30:49, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC: According to the Pax Cyncia, none of these bills, my own or COMMIE100's, would be valid to Moderation anyways as we need to propose Nation Name changes and the likes independently of other Articles to avoid changes to stats for people who oppose. |
| Date | 18:38:42, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC- Why don't you go away and do a research project, we will vote down all the propoals on here, and after the election you can redo it. |
| Date | 18:42:52, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC: It would require Lord Belisarius election to Supreme President but it's doable. |
| Date | 18:45:56, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC- Which would mean he would have to stand for a political party which means he is dogged down by party politicis, which we oppose. Why don't you go and do a portfolio on the topic so you are more clued up?? |
| Date | 18:50:05, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC: I did look it up, in the game rules. There is no other way for it to be accepted by moderation. Any person becoming monarch needs to be elected first. |
| Date | 18:50:53, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | Unless the candidate stands with my party, then we would have to oppose. |
| Date | 18:57:52, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC- Could you possbly do a research portfolio about it, explain about Lord Ballerous and put all the logical arguments together for us all to consider? |
| Date | 19:04:21, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | ooc: There really is no need when Pax Cyncia is available for all to see. Lord Belisarius is also not my character, I cannot really detail his history. |
| Date | 19:05:19, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | Whose character is he? |
| Date | 19:06:08, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC: He is the Crown Party; please check the cabinet, he's the Senate Warden and has been for years. |
| Date | 19:08:11, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | Then he is party political? Therefore we would oppose on these grounds. |
| Date | 19:12:09, August 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Democratic Alliance Legislation II: Commonwealth Proposal |
| Message | OOC: It is impossible to elect someone who isn't. Starting monarch must always belong to a party. After that, I believe they loose their allegence. Endralon has a King, who has no party assigned to him, but he must have been elected to begin with. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 31 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 59 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 10 |
| Random fact: Parties have the ability to endorse another party's candidate for the Head of State election (if there is one). This adds a strategic element to the elections. |
| Random quote: "Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite." - John Kenneth Galbraith |