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Bill: Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sue's Corner
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2991
Description[?]:
| This motion if passed will show the senate has lost confidence in the abilities of Mr. Seymour (Defence) to serve country after he passed legislation destroying our nucleur industry. Whilst it may not pass, it is to show our considerable dissatisfaction with Mr. Seymour on record and I add, the four millions citizens who have marched against Mr. Seymour in the capital and to have their views mentioned. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:46:50, August 27, 2010 CET | From |  Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | We absoulutly condemn the government and Mr. Seymour in particular for allowing this course of action to take place. Doesn;t he realise that when disarming us nucleur industry wise, he is allowing us open to attackm invasion and destruction? We may not have been to war in about 500 years, but all it takes is one country to invade us at any time or any terrorist for that matter, to attack us with a nucleur weapon and that would be us destroyed. Can Mr. Seymour answer a very direct question from a very direct protester? If we are attacked nucleur by another country, how will we now respond? Patsy Davidson Leader of the Conservatives |
| Date | 23:03:28, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "Fortunately for the international reputation of the realm, the Defence Secretary is answerable neither to the derranged Conservative leadership, nor mobs of violent protesters, nor even the Senate. The day the Supreme President calls him to do so, is the day he shall resign. Four million protesters have not rallied, that is frankly a lie being brought before us by a fragmented, lost party who is coming to terms with their past tyrannies. Lord Seymour was nominated by a man who had 51% of the public voting for him in the polls, he was confirmed by 70% of sitting Senators and sits for a Party that polled the highest amount of the popular vote at the last election, does this no-body leader of the Conservatives, who has not yet even contested an election yet alone won one, believe that she can really legitimately call for his removal? Pathetic, amusing, but pathetic." Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 23:06:31, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | A nice speech, but no answers to any questions. Mr. Seymour- If we are attacked nucleur by another country, how will we now respond? Patsy Davidson Tory Leader |
| Date | 23:11:25, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "I do not answer questions on behalf of the Administration, clearly." Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 23:12:54, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Which is why we are asking Mr. Seymour. Clearly that is why it reads- Mr Seymour.... So for a third time- If we are attacked nucleur by another country, how will we now respond? MR SEYMOUR. Patsy Davidson |
| Date | 23:14:24, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "Well you see, I spoke, and then you commented on my speech, and then asked a question that I wasn't qualified to answer. Perhaps you could ask Lord Seymour when he is next actually in the house?" Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 23:16:01, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | *LAUGHTER FROM THE HOUSE Do you agree with the policy Mr. Niras? Do you support it whole heartedly? Yes or no? Patsy Davidson |
| Date | 23:17:33, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "Of course I do. I am part of the team that drafted the Unionist manifesto that layed out our plans for Governance." Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 23:20:36, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | I thought as much Mr. Niras. In this case, if you claim to support it as much as you do, then you wont take issue with answerign the question for us will you? After all Mr. Seymour is clearly too busy selling nucleur weaponary too terrorist organizations. So for the FOURTH time, If we are attacked nucleur by another country, how will we now respond? |
| Date | 23:27:48, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "I realise you're new to all of this Ms. Davidson so let me take a moment to explain; That is a question that ought to be posed to a member of the Government. Judging from the slant of the question, I would determine the Defence or Foreign Secretaries, but that is of course, your choice. Either way, we usually ask that sort of thing to the administration whose job it is to form policy and make executive decisions. I hope that has helped you for the future, petal." Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 23:33:13, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Which is why it was posed to Mr. Seymour, I think you will see if you care to scroll up. Isn't he allowed to speak anymore, kept hidden in thebunker? Ok, well I won;t get an answer, you can't defend your policy or hold your own. The electorate knows the policy is indefendable, so do we and perhaps even yourselves deep down as you can't seem to argue for it. Patsy Davidson Party Leader |
| Date | 23:38:54, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "It is not my job to argue for Governmental policy. Perhaps I can take some time to explain the functions of the legislature and executive? Lord Seymour is in the Minister of Defence I believe, perhaps you can drop-him a post-it?" Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 23:48:25, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Yes, why don't you explain the entire functions of the legislative and executive to me here right now. Patsy Davidson |
| Date | 23:53:07, August 27, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "As a general rule Ms. Davidson, the Executive (that is to say, the Government, Lord Seymour included) draft the policy and the legislature confirm the policy and pass the legislation. Now, Lord Seymour is responsible for Defence Policy, I am a Senator and thus am only responsible for voting in the direction that I judge to be in the interests of my constituents. I am thus, not called upon to answer questions on Governmental policy. I really do advise that you take this matter up with Lord Seymour Ms. Davidson, this is not a Senatorial matter." Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 00:12:05, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Perhaps if you could invite him here, as this is really a forum for discussion on Mr. Seymour, surely Mr. Seymour is allowed to defend and speak for himself? Does the party allow for this eventuality. Patsy Davidson Tory Leader |
| Date | 00:14:59, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "Contrary to apparent belief, Lord Seymour is responsible for his own attendance, we are not communists Ms.Davidson, the party have no rules on whether or not a member of the Government attends Senate." Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 00:17:04, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Yes it is a pity that you cant defend a party policy, and a government minister cannot spare time to come to senate to defend government policy. But I guess it's just one of those things that we will have to tolerate. |
| Date | 00:20:54, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | "Not party policy Ms. Davidson, administration policy- with backing from the Supreme Presidency." Christian Niras, Unionist Senatorial Lead. |
| Date | 00:24:18, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Once upon a time ministers enjoyed coming to senate to give evidence to get questioned. Unionist ministers seem to be harder to pin down than Jelly to a wall and harder to get hold of them hudinni. *Laughter. Still, us senators only come here for a mug of herbal tea and some light hearted banter. Heaven for bid we actually got to hold the government to account or something crazy. Patsy Davidson Tory Leader |
| Date | 00:36:18, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | The Gioulian Administration offers its support to Minister Seymour. His work is to be commended, bringing policy to Solentia not seen in a long time. Peace at home, peace abroad is the message this Administration attempts to send. The Federal Republic is not in any need of defense measures previously prescribed and it will be a role model for other nations to follow. Lastly, one note. The Federal Republic has never seen war thanks to the policies of the many excellent leaders throughout its existence. Solentia as not seen war with another nation since the war with Wantuni. That was roughly 600 years ago. FIP Senator Lawrence Seville |
| Date | 00:38:39, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Senator Seville, that is utterly naive. Just because we haven't been to war for 600 years doesn't mean we cannot be again and it also sends out a direct message that we are not storing or making nucleur, so other people/countries may see us as weak and unprepared. As the government couldn't defend our plan in case of an attack without nucleur weapons, we can only assume we would lose and be defeated. So basically, if we get attacked, we have lost, and worse we lose lives and our proud nation. How can this policy be defended and more importantly the weak and spineless unionists? Patsy Davidson |
| Date | 00:56:20, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | The fact that you are instilling the fear of something that most likely won't happen into Solentians is disturbing. Senator Davidson, it sounds as though you are wishing for a nuclear holocaust to erupt in order to prove your point. We have remained neutral and independent throughout the years. Our defense forces are capable and I have faith in our men and women in uniform should they ever have to deal with the horror of military conflict. With today's technology, nuclear weaponry would assure destruction of the world. A campaign for weaponry that can destroy Terra several times over is one that is remarkably similar to nuncirism, something I hope the Conservative Party has not slipped to. FIP Senator Lawrence Seville |
| Date | 00:59:01, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | How dare you accuse us of slipping into nuncrism or in scaring people or indeed in wanting an attack to 'prove our point.' We are simply pointing out the very real dangers that removing nucleur weapons can ensure. You seem to have missed this point. All it takes is one terrorist group/country to attack us and as you say the result would 'destriy Terra several times over.' Surely you share our concerns that we would be inable to respond to attacks? Patsy Davidson Conservative Leader |
| Date | 01:11:33, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Senator, I sleep more soundly at night knowing this nation does not have weapons of mass destruction and terror. I am thankful that we have not sunk to the level of a paranoid, imperialist nation threatening nuclear weaponry every time our nation doesn't feel like putting the effort into a democratic debate or discussion. Technological research is still at our finger tips and should we absolutely require a weapon as horrific as a nuclear bomb, we have the assets to construct one. It is easy to persuade through fear mongering and instilling thoughts of what could be, however I have never particularly been interested in such tactics. I do not see any benefit in scaring the Solentian people into seeing your side of the argument, with terrorism, dictators, and foreigners all waiting for the right moment to destroy us as you would have us imagine. Instead I can see through the tactics and understand that this is simply an attempt by Conservatives to feed the private sector more welfare checks from the government by giving it lucrative defense contracts. Fortunately they won't be receiving any of those. FIP Senator Lawrence Seville |
| Date | 01:27:37, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | Not yet anyway. However, I think it is wrong of you to put words in my mouth. At no point have I claimed that people are waiting to attack. I said it takes just one attack at any moment. Patsy D |
| Date | 01:31:24, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | OOC: Out of curiosity, have we ever considered what we're to do with the nukes that we now are not allowed to store? Might be an interesting debate. |
| Date | 12:09:07, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | OOC: Ooooh, yes! We could sell them for profit. :) |
| Date | 17:32:04, August 28, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Calling on Mr. Seymour to resign |
| Message | While we disagree with those who proposed and voted for the bill which left us practically defenseless, we canont deny their right to do so. It must remain to a better generation to correct those mistakes. We will not vote to condemn anyone for what has been legally done. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 30 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 70 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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