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Bill: Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Party of Solentia
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3076
Description[?]:
| Following the upcoming passage of the Constitutional Traditionalism Act 2995 (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=299943) and the reestablishment of another ancient Solentian tradition, the Solentian Heritage Coalition has been called to conference in Halion starting in January, 3000 by the Solentian State Control Party, inheritors of the legacy of the SHC founding Conservative Party of Solentia. Invited to the conference shall be delegates from the Crown Party, Solentian State Control Party, Federal Independent Party, and Unionist Bloc. These are the official active members of the Solentian Heritage Coalition. On the agenda of the conference shall be: 1). Discussion on the purpose of the SHC in modern Solentia / creation of a formal SHC Mission statement 2). Discussion on future aims of the SHC. 3). Discussion on rules and regulations / requirements for SHC membership / leadership. 4). Invitation of new Solentian parties to the SHC / discussion and vote on candidate parties. 5). Appointment and role of an Ambassadorial Officer (proposed by Gahr Bfiras of the Unionist Bloc) 6). Any other business. Any of the invited parties with proposed business are asked to propose it before January 3000 so as to allow for it to be added to the agenda of the conference. The logs of the meeting shall be public so as to allow for all Solentians to view the happenings of one of Solentia's oldest and most powerful party organizations. The conference shall be mediated and hosted by Martin Beckons of the SSCP. The Solentian State Control Party, the Unionist Bloc, the Crown Party, and the Federal Independent Party have each confirmed their intention to attend the conference. As such, no vote shall go onward until each has had their chance to vote. More information on the SHC can be found at http://classic.particracy.net/vieworganization.php?organizationid=1496 |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:50:24, September 05, 2010 CET | From |  Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "The Unionist Bloc have appointed me Solentian Heritage Coalition Liaison Office (SHC Liaison) to be our leading speaker at Conference. I wish to add to the agenda- appointment of an Ambassadorial Officer, if you would be so kind as to oblige." Gahr Bfiras, SHC Liaison |
| Date | 21:55:16, September 05, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "The proposal has been added to the agenda as item five, with the additional discussion of the role that such an officer shall play. Thank you to the Unionist Bloc for your addition." Martin Beckons |
| Date | 21:57:35, September 05, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | Lord Belisarius arrives. "We do not stand against evolution. That is folly. But let us maintain out traditions wherever we may, cherishing the past, and keeping our distinct culture intact for future generations. We will be in attendance throughout." |
| Date | 18:11:49, September 06, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | Does the FIP still consider itself a member of this Coalition? |
| Date | 19:41:17, September 06, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | Has our party been accepted into the coalition yet? Patsy Davidson Party Leader |
| Date | 21:08:52, September 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "It is under discussion. We cannot say who is taking what line at this time, but needless to say, there are heated opinions on the matter." Gahr Bfiras, SHC Liaison |
| Date | 23:21:56, September 06, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | We would hope certain parties could overcome immature and party politics. We have presented our case on how important the heritage is to us on numerous occasions, we didn't agree with the recent vote on 100 to 425 seats, based upon there not being a pragmatic need for that change. In all other aspects we have support Solentian traditions and regardless of what you may think of our party, the heritage and culture of this country is one of the things we represent best and have won elections on. Patsy Davidson |
| Date | 23:37:27, September 06, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Mrs. Davidson, these things are all handled in private chambers. I really cannot comment further on what is being said. There shall be a vote. What I will say, is that your voting record may speak for itself. You have my assurance that it will be taken into careful account. In the meantime, this Conference is not for another three years and these things take time. I urge patience." Gahr Bfiras, SHC Liaison |
| Date | 03:42:57, September 07, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | While we have been ardent supporters of the Solentian Heritage Coalition and perhaps one of its most vocal defenders in the past, we are cautious to throw support behind the caucus once more. The definition of what the SHC stands for in particular and defends is something to be resolutely agreed upon. Should the conference reaffirm the SHC for what Federal Independents for years fought for and worked with, we are the first to proudly stand by a modernized SHC. John Celebrezze |
| Date | 04:08:18, September 07, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | The SHC never was and never has been another method for the FIP to cast maker's marks all over the republic, nor that of any party. Indeed our parties launched this effort together to thwart the efforts of the Federal Republican Party, in hard times long ago. Are you saying, Mr Celebrezze, that you will only support this conference if it toes your own party's line regarding these matters? Lord Belisarius |
| Date | 06:06:05, September 07, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "I ask that further discussion on agenda items be tabled until they may be discussed under mediation to prevent things from becoming heated. I humbly request that the FIP attend the conference and have its own say in the modernization of the SHC. If they should choose not to attend, then there shall be no voice with which to show these feelings that have been pronounced. To Ms. Davidson, the Conservative Party's request for membership shall be discussed in the conference. Parties will be asked to vote based on voting records and traditionalist merits, rather than previous relations, and the SHC shall do its best to ensure that the correct parties get in. I ask that you remain patient with the process." Martin Beckons |
| Date | 02:17:26, September 08, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | It seems Mr. Belisarius misinterpreted my words. However, per Mr. Beckons request, I will take this no further in hopes of ensuring the climate of the SHC Conference is tranquil and non-partisan. John Celebrezze |
| Date | 02:18:11, September 08, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | Also, delegates from the Federal Independent Party shall be attending the Conference. John Celebrezze |
| Date | 17:33:50, September 08, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | Crown Party requests that Conservative Party's inclusion in Coalition be moved to the front of tabled topics and brought to vote. |
| Date | 19:55:05, September 08, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "The motion shall require a second." Martin Beckons |
| Date | 06:52:40, September 09, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Upon reconsideration, the motion shall not require a second, and the inclusion of the Conservative Party in the SHC shall be the first item of business on the agenda." Martin Beckons |
| Date | 19:39:03, September 09, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "The CMP would like to publically opposr the motion, for all it's worth. The Conservatives, as a non-member at the time of the calling of the Conference, should not be permitted to hold voting rights at Conference, and thus the vote on their proposed inclusion should be the last order of business. It should be noted that the CMP may be willing to boycott Conference over this issue." Gahr Bfiras, CMP SHC Liaison |
| Date | 19:45:50, September 09, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | The Crown delgation withdraws said motion. |
| Date | 20:04:05, September 09, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "The CMP delegation thanks the Crown delegation for their cooperation and we look forward to voting on Conservative membership at the end of Conference." Gahr Bfiras, CMP SHC Liaison. |
| Date | 20:53:15, September 09, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Following the withdrawal of the motion, the issue has been moved to its previous position on the agenda once more." Martin Beckons |
| Date | 01:08:46, September 15, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Ladies and gentlemen, with the coming of the year 3000, I bid you WELCOME. Welcome to Halion, welcome to a new millenium, and welcome to what promises to be one of the most influential meetings of Solentian parties in history. "Each of you delegates represents a party with hundreds of years of experience in supporting and maintaining Solentian heritage. Your parties' contribution through the Solentian Heritage Coalition is a large piece of what keeps our nation so great; it is through your vigilance that the bastions of Solentian tradition have stood through fire and storm to remain as glorious today as they were 500 years ago. "The purposes of this conference will be varied, the consequences far reaching. We must act now as we always have: pragmatically, decisively, and with an eye, always, towards Solentian traditions. "As we must quickly get to work, I shall delay no longer. Our first agenda item is perhaps our most significant. As has been stated by some in the SHC, the Coalition has been defunct for some time. We have faced no significant challenges like those that were faced hundreds of years ago, when the Federal Republican Party first caused the foundation of the Coalition through careless destruction of Solentian culture. This is, of course, not to say that there are not challenges faced today. "And so we must discuss, in this modern era, what is the purpose of the SHC to be? Will our mission be that of maintaining the specific institutions put in place by Father George Bailen centuries ago, or will our mission be one of more progressive traditionalism, rejecting the drab cultural imperialism of 'Prime Ministers' and 'Presidents,' but not afraid to look forward and perhaps ESTABLISH a new heritage, not simply maintain the old? I open the floor for debate from each of the other three parties. "Please, if you wish to suggest a mission for the SHC, word it so that it may be entered as a formal candidate for voting. eg. 'The mission of the Solentian Heritage Coalition shall be...' etc." Martin Beckons |
| Date | 01:36:54, September 15, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Firstly, I think we can all rise and give a hand to Mr. Beckons for his fabulous organisation. This historic moment is truely well-managed and solidly handled. Solentia is entering the third Millenium. We do so cautiously and sensibly with a pragmatic mind and a true heart. Our heritage and history are vital to the continuation of Solentian life. It is what defines us and makes us unique within the Terran Context. Heritage is about more than titles, names or customs. It is about values and beliefs. What would Solentia be today if it weren't for a bi-partisan spirit, a focus on free faith, democratic principle, strong working local communities, or notions of social hierarchy? I thus, on behalf of my Party submit the following Mission Statement: "The Solentian Heritage Coalition, in coordination, cooperation and agreement, declare the History and Heritage of Solentia to be of vitality to the continuation of our State. Our aim remains to protect and preserve what has been, to ensure that, through values, customs and beliefs, we grant provision for that yet to come and to presently maintain Solentian spirit. Solentia is Heart, Belief and Thought. Our Coalition shall preserve that in order to protect our future." Gahr Bfiras, CMP SHC Liaison. |
| Date | 02:49:39, September 15, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Honored members, as I am continually reminded of my age, every time I look my wrinkled reflection in the mirror, I am beginning to realize that I am becoming a trinket of history my self. The year 3000. It really gives one pause to reflect about all that has happened before. "But shall we become mired in it? I would hope not. What does it mean to be a Solentian? We are the sum of our language, our cities, our lands, our culture. We are not necessarily like anyone else, and that's a good thing. There's room for it. We share blood with both our Istalian neighbors to the south, throughout Majatra and elsewhere, but we are united by identity. "Where we could uphold an old standard laid out years ago, where it can stand against time without cracking, we should keep those things, but by all means let us keep developing, keep welcoming new blood, and keep discovering what it is to be Solentian. "In short, The Mission of the SHC shall be "Preserve, Defend, Develop" Edwin, Lord Belisarius |
| Date | 02:56:54, September 15, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "The SSCP respects the CMP for its submission, but prefers the succinctness of the Crowns' suggestion. Preservation and defense of tradition have always been the mission of the SHC, 'develop' shows a commitment to refusing to be, as Lord Belisarius put it, 'mired' in the past. Thus far the Crown's proposal has our support, though we wait to hear further from the CMP or the FIP." Martin Beckons |
| Date | 11:58:30, September 15, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "The CMP glady supports this balance, though feel that it ought to be identified from the outset what exactly we are to Preserve. I mean by this, of course, are we completely against all changes in titular form only, or does our defence extend as far as democratic value, or social incentive or free faith. Do we defend only insitutions, or ideologies and spirit of the nation as well?" Gahr Bfiras |
| Date | 17:03:32, September 15, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | The proposal by Mr. Belisarius is well received by our party. "Preserve, Defend, Develop" are three key words that mean an awful lot in so few. John Celebrezze |
| Date | 14:22:51, September 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "If a majority want it, the CMP shall accept." Gahr Bfiras. |
| Date | 15:26:08, September 16, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "If there is no further disagreement, then the item shall be moved to vote. The vote shall be this: 'Shall the mission statement of the Solentian Heritage Coalition be amended to read "Preserve, Defend, Develop"?' Each party shall now vote. The SSCP votes aye." Martin Beckons |
| Date | 15:43:35, September 16, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Aye." Gahr Bfiras |
| Date | 16:57:37, September 16, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | Aye, Edwin Lord Belisarius |
| Date | 16:27:56, September 17, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | Aye. John Celebrezze |
| Date | 15:55:17, September 18, 2010 CET | From | Sue's Corner | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | Aye |
| Date | 18:07:57, September 18, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | The Conservative Party is not a member of this Coalition and does not have a vote. |
| Date | 18:20:31, September 18, 2010 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Indeed the Conservative Party's vote will not be counted. I would like to remind any person not from the CMP, FIP, SSCP, or Crown Party that they are allowed only observer status during this conference. "That said, the voting on the mission statement is now closed. With a tally of 4 votes in the affirmative to 0 in the negative, the mission of the Solentian Heritage Coalition shall henceforth be "Preserve, Defend, Develop." "Moving forward to item 2 on the agenda, the SHC shall now consider more specific aims for future action. Solentia has recently seen the reinstatement of it's traditional national sport of baseball, are there any further targets toward which the SHC should set itself in the near or distant future? "The SSCP advocates the creation of a 25 year plan of action for the SHC, following the lead of our new mission statement, and specifically its 'develop' clause. We must be a party for progress in Solentia, because progress with an eye to tradition is the only manner in which we can ensure that the past is not trampled in pursuit of the future. The CMP recently suggested that Solentian's take a look at a new form of governance which would place more emphasis on the cabinet than has previously been the case; perhaps this is something that the SHC could consider supporting?" Martin Beckons |
| Date | 15:29:42, September 19, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "The CMP hopes to establish an understanding that it is the ideology of Senatorial Sovereignty that is traditional. The Supreme President's role in cabinet proposal should only ever be seen as an insitutional convention, rather than an actual part of our heritage. The Senate holds real power and thus we seek the development of this into actual legislative authority. We feel that would protect our democratic heritage best. We hope to see that as part of the action plan. On the note of cabinet proposal, we feel that is a logical and securing development that the SHC should look at adopting. We look forward to any comments on that model. (OOC:http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=263273)." Gahr Bfiras |
| Date | 21:29:43, September 19, 2010 CET | From | Federal Independent Party | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | We digress with Mr. Bfiras. The Supreme President holds a place in the heart of Solentian tradition that is unlike any other nation in Terra. The bond between the Supreme President and the populace that votes him/her into power is unrivaled as it is the only nationwide election for a single office. The Supreme Presidential cabinet tradition has been in effect since George Bailen and has worked tremendously throughout the Federal Republic's existence. The powers of the Supreme President should also be weighed against those of the Senate, as this is a federal republic in which separation of powers between the federal system are integral. The Senate is not sovereign in totality and this should be recognized. Often times it has been the executive branch led by the Supreme President that has ignited real reform and broken gridlock when the Senate is playing partisan politics. On a second note, the cabinet coalition proposal referred by the CMP is not endorsed by my party and we oppose its instatement. John Celebrezze |
| Date | 00:20:17, September 20, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | The power invested in the person of the Supreme President to select cabinets keeps us from near-anarchy, which I assure you would occur if we were to have this sort of situation, unless perhaps the Executive were a monarchy. However, that is a matter for other times Suffice to say, most of us do have ideas that involve changes to government, or we would not exist as separate parties at all. For purposes of solidarity, however, the Crowns would agree to keeping the current system of Supreme President in place, with power to propose cabinets, for a period of one hundred years, at which time, we might revisit the discussion. |
| Date | 07:12:24, September 23, 2010 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | (my character would like to retire and possibly die gently in his sleep) |
| Date | 11:27:15, September 23, 2010 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | "Perhaps then, we should leave the matter of Supreme Presidential Authority and simply discuss the proposed cabinet model?" Gahr Bfiras |
| Date | 05:48:25, February 14, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Solentian Heritage Coalition Conference of 3000 |
| Message | OOC: Sent to vote to clear the debate phase docket. |
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