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Bill: Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Extreme Green Agenda
Details
Submitted by[?]: Commonwealth Workers Army
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2140
Description[?]:
| It is the intention of the Extreme Green Faction of the Anakrousite Shatter, to bring our nation back to her state of grace - to erase the scars our barbarous industry has inflicted upon the lush forests and smooth, rolling grasslands of our home. It is the intention of the Extreme Green Faction to bring absolute accountability to Likatonian interactions with our less bipedal cousins, and ensure a more humane future for ALL Likatonian life. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of animals in cosmetics research.
Old value:: The use of animals to test cosmetic products is regulated.
Current: Animals may not be used for testing cosmetics products.
Proposed: Animals may not be used for testing cosmetics products.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The use of animals in medical research.
Old value:: Animal research projects must apply for a license and submit to regulation.
Current: The use of animals in research is subject to basic regulations.
Proposed: Animals may not be used for any research.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the use of pesticides.
Old value:: The government approves and regulates agricultural chemical use.
Current: Farmers are required to list chemicals used on their crops.
Proposed: Chemical pesticides, herbicides and fungicides are banned.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government regulation of pollution in industry.
Old value:: The government enforces moderate pollution restrictions.
Current: The government enforces highly restrictive industrial pollution standards.
Proposed: The government enforces highly restrictive industrial pollution standards.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning private cars.
Old value:: Private cars are allowed, but people are encouraged to travel collective and tax incentives are provided for cars using environmentally friendly fuels.
Current: There are no regulations on the ownership of private cars.
Proposed: Only cars using environmentally friendly fuels are allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:54:03, November 12, 2005 CET | From | Front for State Prosperity | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Extreme Green Agenda |
| Message | Articles five and three we could almost agree to. Articles 1, 2, and 4 are unconsciable. Since they would slow the rate of technological advance they would ultimately be harmful to the environment. |
| Date | 17:41:37, November 12, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Extreme Green Agenda |
| Message | How is Article 4 unconsciable? Limiting pollution has nothing to do with slowing research... it might adversely impact production. One the other hand, restricting pollution would have to INCREASE technological advance - since good R&D departments will be finding ways to make goods with LESS pollution. It is worth noting, "highly restrictive" doesn't have to mean ABSOLUTE. Why should animals be used for testing? For the most part, a test performed on a rabbit is pretty unrepresentative of the reaction of the same agent, on humans. The AAS believes our laboratories should be finding some RELEVENT way to test... like on synthetic human tissue, or on lab-farmed human skin. |
| Date | 06:02:26, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Representative Party | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Extreme Green Agenda |
| Message | We could support articles 4 and 5, but articles 1 and 2 are unacceptable, as we believe that research on animals is essential to ensure the safety of people using new chemical products. |
| Date | 09:45:15, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Front for State Prosperity | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Extreme Green Agenda |
| Message | Except they DON'T spend that money on R&D. They spend it on lawyers so that they don't die under the barrage of regulations, restrictions, and laws! Highly restrictive doesn't -have- to mean absolute... It usually DOES though. That's the problem. When we open an avenue for corruption, corruption will probably occur. Moderate ones ensure that they spend money on R&D to stay ahead of it. Stringent ones means that they have to buy the best lawyers in the business so the government doesn't kill them - and all the money flowing into lawyers doesn't help the business, doesn't help the environment, doesn't help the high tech economy. It takes capital AWAY from investment and AWAY from research. Except you're wrong. Rabbits are typically quite representative of humans. They're also cheap to buy. Lab-farmed human skin is exceedingly expensive and while it's true that it is more accurate only the most important projects will use it. By banning animal testing you are preventing research that could improve the health of our people and that could reduce the pollutants and harmful chemicals utilized within our cosmetics and medicines. That's not even addressing the economic damage that will be caused by this restriction. Most animal testing is actually on mice, which are even closer than all but one or two species of chimpanzee to human biology than any other. Do you really want to protect mice over humans? Where are your priorities? Ultimately the environment for HUMANS will be improved! Frankly, mice breed fast enough that they're not going to be in danger of extinction any time soon. |
| Date | 18:51:33, November 13, 2005 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Extreme Green Agenda |
| Message | Response to the PCP: OOC: I work in the water industry... it is very heavily regulated, because people need clean drinking water daily. It gets MORE restrictive, year on year... However, while initial outlays ARE higher, the safety of the product is MUCH greater, the envirnmental impact is MUCH less, and the 'science' of the industry is advancing more rapidly than at ANY other time in the history of water treatment. The 'real world' proves that enhanced restriction actually HELPS an industry, rather than harming it. IC: Where did the PCP hear that mice are genetically closer to humans than... say, dolphins? Or pigs... which you can actually perform huan transplants with? Did the PCP know that some rodents can't vomit? How can one test relative toxicity, on an animal that can't even duplicate human processes? |
| Date | 12:36:10, November 16, 2005 CET | From | Front for State Prosperity | To | Debating the Anarch Anakrousite Shatter Reform Bill - Extreme Green Agenda |
| Message | OOC: I know, but I'm playing in character here. IC: Mice are not genetically closer, their bodies just duplicate human processes very effectively. Medicines that don't cause adverse reactions in mice rarely cause adverse reactions in humans. The comparison to dolphins is obviously false - they're a whole lot better matched. The comparison to pigs is better, but I'm fairly sure you could perform a human transplant from a mouse as well if only mice weren't so tiny. Pigs and mice are equivalent, but pigs are too expensive. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 168 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 187 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 105 |
| Random fact: Any RP law granting extraordinary "emergency powers" or dictator-like powers to a government must be passed by at least a 2/3rds majority, but (like all RP laws) may always be overturned by a simple majority vote of the legislature. |
| Random quote: "Casting a vote shouldn't make you sick." - Ronnie Dugger |