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Bill: 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee
Details
Submitted by[?]: Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3060
Description[?]:
| The Rt Hon. Lord Hans Thuringen representing the Constitutionalist Imperial League hereby opens this seventh meeting of the Imperial Un-Luthorian Activities Committee under the rotating chairmanship of the Rt Hon. representative from the Employers Association Party. Founding Members of the IULAC: EAP - 1 vote (veto) CIL - 1 vote (veto) Notes: The Committee would like to remind all parties that as of April 2992, "The Conservative Proclamation" (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=298605) is the law of the land. Furthermore, as of 2995 and the 7th meeting of this committee, said Conservative proclamation has been endorsed by this committee. Since said endorsement, all acts and proclamations made by this committee are treated as law and enforced as such. Therefore, the CIL shall use this proclamation as a basis to evaluate un-Luthorian behavior and positions. We also would like to note that since this committee has endorsed the proclamation, said proclamation can only be rescinded by a majority vote of this committee which includes the support of all members with veto rights. Lastly we will remind all in attendance that Diet etiquette is no observed in IULAC meetings. However, the utmost courtesy and respectful language is required. Failure to abide by these standards will result in exclusion from this meeting along with said exclusion's consequences. Agenda: 1. Ammend IULAC code to award "observer" status to the Luthori Patriots Party. 2. Request that the Union for Social Change testify before this committee to inform it of its goals, intentions and views. 3. Ammend IULAC code to award either "observer" or "non-participant" to theUnion for Social Change following its testimony in front of this committee. Details: 1. "Observer" status defined: No vote in official IULAC affairs, but can make recommendations and is likely to be awarded voting power in the future (official definition as per the 2nd Meeting of the IULAC). This committee does not feel the need to summon the LPP to testify as it feels the LLP has sufficiently demonstrated its loyalty and goodness. 2. Naturally the entire Diet is aware of the subversive policies of the USC and its blatant and vulgar disregard for Diet etiquette. Non attendance to this meeting by the USC will result in immediate designation as "non-participant". 3. "Non-participant" defined: Not in accordance with IULAC policies, and therefore ineligible to partake in the affairs of the IULAC. Subject to sanctions and penalties for subversive activity (official definition as per the 2nd Meeting of the IULAC). OOC: For purposes of practicality, this meeting is displayed as a bill. However, it is a conference of a Diet-sanctioned committee that does not require the consent of the Diet to pass rules and regulations. It is advised that all parties vote "yes" once the committee is finished with its meeting for archive purposes, however, this makes little difference to the actual procedures. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:44:25, January 07, 2011 CET | From | Democratic-Republican Party | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Speaker, We can not follow the so called conservative proclamation for the following reasons. We do not recognize the authority of this committee over the legislature as a whole and appear only to enter our beliefs into the record of this body. We can not join the imperial alliance as we do not support its unjust goals. We do not support monarchy and oppression. We do not recognize the state as a supreme ruler, because only God is supreme. We do not support empire. The World Community Party's actions being deemed illegal obviously had no effect on their participation in the legislature and voting. A recent law recently declared "subversive" and "anti-goverment" speech as completely legal. And this committee does not have the authority over the legislature because this legislature established that committee. I yield |
| Date | 00:13:41, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Whether or not the USC recognizes the authority of this committee is completely irrelevant to the proceedings. In its foundation, it was made very clear that this committee has the power to supersede the Diet by taking whatever actions it deems necessary in order to achieve its goals. The origin of this committee has no bearing whatsoever on its powers. Moving on from semantics to the actual process, I find the USC to have engaged in un-Luthorian activities by opposing the monarchy and failing to comply with standards of morality and the Conservative Proclamation. I call for the USC to be categorized as a "non-participant" of the USC and to be sanctioned and penalized as per the IULAC code. Said sanctions and penalties shall be outlined shortly. Now however we give the florr to either the chairman of this committee from the EAP or the LLP if they wish to speak. |
| Date | 01:57:58, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Democratic-Republican Party | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | We will carry on as usual, the CIL is just afraid of losing their power. With that, the USC delegates walked out of the meeting. |
| Date | 06:32:00, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Imperial Aristocratic League | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | The LPP hopes this committee takes stern action against this illegitimate party and brings stern sanctions and or penalties against them. We thank the committee for allowing us to speak. that is all. |
| Date | 11:02:23, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | The EAP has nothing to add in this matter. We'll ignore any trouble-makers whatsoever. |
| Date | 17:02:59, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | I will now outline what sanctions and penalties we propose be applied to the USC as a "non-participant" of this committee: -The USC or any of its members shall be prohibited from raising funds. Making a donation of money or property to any member of the USC shall be a crime equivalent to financing terrorism and shall be punished accordingly by the local courts. -No leader of the USC shall be permitted to leave the Holy Luthori Empire, specifically the Luthori Homeland. -No member of the USC shall be allowed to appear on radio or television, or to write or be interviewed in a newspaper. Any foreign radio or television station that shall broadcast a member of the USC shall be banned in Luthori. -No leader of the USC shall be permitted to sue in court or to petition the government for a redress of grievances. -No leader of the USC shall be allowed to vote in parliamentary elections. -No member of the USC shall be allowed to bear arms or serve in the military or government. -No member of the USC shall continue to enjoy the unconditional protections afforded to other subjects by the Common Bill of Rights. -Any and all members of the USC who bear titles of nobility or knighthoods shall be publicly stripped of those honours if it is His Majesty's pleasure to do so. |
| Date | 17:04:00, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | We ask the EAP for their opinion of said sanctions and whether or not it finds them sufficient. The Committee notes the comments made by the LPP and thanks it for its time. |
| Date | 17:51:26, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Democratic-Republican Party | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | The USC need not fundraise as often, for the people give of their own mind. Making this a crime would violate your (albeit false) constitution allowing all parties a seat and right to participate in the legislature. You can not dictate our travel, or where we will appear. Your private radio will not be regulated, unless you turn your back on your economic values. Please bar us from serving in the military of your emperor, for we already object to this so called service. In any case, we will carry on as usual. So long as we are able, we will. |
| Date | 19:23:16, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | It seems to be a brash solution. Is'nt a compromise possible? It's very important to do everything possible to establish peace and harmony in our nation. |
| Date | 20:37:29, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | While we agree that peace and harmony are of paramount importance, the CIL has already twice proposed very reasonable compromise agreements to the USC, which it would be glad to share with the EAP. However, we would like to hear from the EAP: what sanctions do you propose? OOC: USC, by your own words you've left the meeting, so you can't possibly be talking now. |
| Date | 22:56:34, January 08, 2011 CET | From | Democratic-Republican Party | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | ooc: Sorry, thought you meant that as published already. Let's go with someone let us know and we sent a paper response with that back so continuity is kept. |
| Date | 10:13:57, January 09, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | OOC: Okay. |
| Date | 18:30:55, January 11, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | We have nothing to add. We will support the sanctions. |
| Date | 20:52:28, January 11, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Very well, we now move to vote on two motions: 1. The Luthori Patriots Party will be awarded "observer" status. 2. That the Union for Social Change will be awarded "non-participant" status and be subject to the following sanctions and penalties for un-Luthorian behavior (USC referring to the Union for Social Change): -The USC or any of its members shall be prohibited from raising funds. Making a donation of money or property to any member of the USC shall be a crime equivalent to financing terrorism and shall be punished accordingly by the local courts. -No leader of the USC shall be permitted to leave the Holy Luthori Empire, specifically the Luthori Homeland. -No member of the USC shall be allowed to appear on radio or television, or to write or be interviewed in a newspaper. Any foreign radio or television station that shall broadcast a member of the USC shall be banned in Luthori. -No leader of the USC shall be permitted to sue in court or to petition the government for a redress of grievances. -No leader of the USC shall be allowed to vote in parliamentary elections. -No member of the USC shall be allowed to bear arms or serve in the military or government. -No member of the USC shall continue to enjoy the unconditional protections afforded to other subjects by the Common Bill of Rights. -Any and all members of the USC who bear titles of nobility or knighthoods shall be publicly stripped of those honours if it is His Majesty's pleasure to do so. A majority of all votes cast including the votes of members with veto rights is necessary for each motion to pass. 1st motion: aye 2nd motion: aye |
| Date | 22:29:20, January 11, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | 1st motion: aye 2nd motion: aye |
| Date | 17:33:28, January 12, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | Both motions pass with unanimous consent, this session of the IULAC is now closed. |
| Date | 17:34:51, January 12, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | OOC: To make it clear, whether or not this "bill" actually passes is of no consequence, since the motions have already been approved by the IULAC. The only reason I'm sending it to vote is so it doesn't cluster the debate display in the nation page. |
| Date | 17:46:18, January 12, 2011 CET | From | Democratic-Republican Party | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | ooc: Whether or not you pass "sanctions" is of no consequence, since the actual laws and the game trumps anything else. |
| Date | 08:24:40, January 13, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | OOC: You are right insofar as the game covers said issues. What issues are not covered by game mechanics are not affected. But naturally to refuse RP because its not convenient is somewhat bad sport. |
| Date | 09:07:03, January 13, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | OOC: Oh and you just announced that you were planning an armed rebellion, what exactly do you expect? |
| Date | 14:37:18, January 13, 2011 CET | From | Democratic-Republican Party | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | THe DRP sent a memo: We don't recognize the authority of this committee as its powers don't come from the people. ooc: Don't tell me about being a bad sport when you are the one trying to convince me to change my party's views just because they don't match up with yours on the monarchy. |
| Date | 20:20:38, January 13, 2011 CET | From | Imperial Aristocratic League | To | Debating the 8th Meeting of the Imperial un-Luthorian Activities Committee |
| Message | OOC: lets clam it down. I dont think he wants your views to change but he is trying to defend what he put a lot of work into. just do some research on Luthori and you will see that. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 138 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 51 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 12 |
| Random fact: It is not allowed to call more than 5 elections in 5 game years in a nation. The default sanction for a player persisting in the early election tactic will be a seat reset. |
| Random quote: "Impossible is a word to be found only in the dictionary of fools." - Napoleon Bonaparte |