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Bill: Sensible Strikes Bill
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2142
Description[?]:
| We are losing millions of working days due to unsound and lax policies regarding the Trade Unions, these need to be restricted to make them more sensible, no longer should all policemen be able to go on strike at the same time. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Secondary strike action.
Old value:: Any trade union can go on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Current: Any trade union can go on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Proposed: Only closely related trade unions can walk out on a sympathy strike in support of other striking workers.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The workers' right to strike.
Old value:: All workers have the right to strike.
Current: All workers have the right to strike.
Proposed: All workers have the right to strike but certain categories of workers regarded as critical to society have to ensure a minimal service.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Trade union strike ballots.
Old value:: Trade unions must by law hold a ballot of all members before going on strike, majority approval of those that vote is needed from its members.
Current: Trade unions must by law hold a ballot of all members before going on strike, majority approval of those that vote is needed from its members.
Proposed: Trade unions must by law hold a ballot of all members before going on strike, a majority of all members, regardless of if they vote or not must approve the strike action.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on Democratic Workers' Councils.
Old value:: The government encourages the formation of Democratic Workers' Councils through subsidies and tax exemptions.
Current: The government requires all businesses to be run by Democratic Workers' Councils.
Proposed: The government does not intervene in the marketplace with regards to Democratic Workers' Councils.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:11:09, November 16, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | We disagree strongly with articles 1 and 3. We are not against article 2, since minimal service for a very limited category of workers (policemen, nurses, etc.) protects the society while not violating the worker right to strike. We disagree with article 4. DWC are a good thing. They responsabilise the workers. This bill is just a package of blind anti-syndicalism, we will oppose. We know that some issues bringed may be valid society debate, but we encourage other parties to sketch new bill instead of voting for this one. |
| Date | 22:25:13, November 16, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | 1) is necessary to prevent Unions jumping on the bandwagon and joining in strikes that are completely unrelated. 3) is necessary, if a union is to go on strike, then at least 50%+1 of that union must have voted aye, it is unfair to suggest that turnout could be very low , with a narrow majority in favour of strike, and yet the union still goes on strike. That is very undemocratic and can extra power to the more active members of that union. 4) The government doesn't subsidize other industries, why should it subsidize the creation of DWC's? |
| Date | 00:32:09, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Social Liberty Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | There is obviously some merit to this bill, surprisingly. But the striking is an essential tool in making society as equal as possible. No one ever said life will be fair, but we should try our hardest. |
| Date | 00:51:33, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | It barely places any restriction on striking, all it asks is that Unions have a majority of all their workers before striking, and that essential services provide a minimal service, what is bad about that? |
| Date | 04:23:46, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | JP: I'm sure your party would be pleased to be required to have a 50%+1 of the registered voters instead of 50%+1 of the votes if you had to hold a referendum to ban abortion. |
| Date | 06:16:57, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Market Socialist Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | We oppose all articles above. Because we do not believe in government interference in the market we believe the unions and their actions should be not be regulated. Unions work very much better than minimum wage laws. For example: In the United States we have a minimum wage of 5.15 and that is hardly anything. Here in Germany there is no minimum wage, however there are a lot of work's unions. Every time you are employed the worker's union sits down with the 'Arbeitgeber' -the employer and the 'Arbeitnehmer' -the employee and they decide on a wage. This system is not only more flexible but it works better. This is a much better tool of illiminating poverty -why? Because it allows people to take responsibility for their own lives with out a forcefull authoritarian government saying that one has to be paid a certain wage. Also here in Germany there is far less poverty and less inflation than in America and I personally believe that this is a major determining factor. We also believe that workers councils are a good thing and they should be encouraged, but in no way forced upon the private sector. |
| Date | 12:09:01, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | (JP: I'm sure your party would be pleased to be required to have a 50%+1 of the registered voters instead of 50%+1 of the votes if you had to hold a referendum to ban abortion.) Erm, somehow I do not see how going on strike is comparable to killing a baby, obviously the ALSP values skiving off work more than life. ooc: Germany's economy is fucked up, perhaps beyond prepare, all because of your cushy welfare state and your over powerful unions, its why unemployment is so high in germany and its why your major companies are moving east. Germany, especially over the last decade is not a good example. |
| Date | 17:46:02, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Market Socialist Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | That is exactly my point...when ever the government trys to do things...like regulate business and unions they mess is up. This is becase the government forces people to do unprofitable things for ideological perposes. |
| Date | 18:42:42, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | OOC: 'Erm, somehow I do not see how going on strike is comparable to killing a baby, obviously the ALSP values skiving off work more than life.' I hope you realised that I talked of abortion because it is an issue on wich we know your viewpoint... I could have use 'prohibition of yellow colorant in icecream' instead if it was one of your position. |
| Date | 19:00:40, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | What relevence does that have? Answer the question does the ALSP value the right of workers to skive of work more than it values the life of the unborn? |
| Date | 21:41:04, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | Answer the question does the ALSP value the right of workers to skive of work more than it values the life of the unborn? These are two things unrelated. We respect life and think the number of abortions should be minimal if not null for ethical reasons. However denying the right to choose of giving birth or not is not a ethical mean of attaining this goal and we beleive that educational . Women doesn't goes with abortion for fun. The discourse of the JP on this issue is very immature. |
| Date | 21:59:24, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | Immature? Prey tell how, is that your argument, should we deny anyone the vote who the ALSP consider immature? Indeed should we ban any party that isn't liberal, socialist or feminist? |
| Date | 22:00:36, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | Besides you were the one to compare striks and abortions in the first place, they were still unrealted topics back then, didn't stop you did it? |
| Date | 03:24:02, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | >Immature? Prey tell how, is that your argument, should we deny anyone the vote who the ALSP consider immature? Indeed should we ban any party that isn't liberal, socialist or feminist? Even if we consider your arguments as 'immature' we never proposed to ban or censor you. maybe you should read your adversaries comments before replying or stop being mythomaniac. |
| Date | 09:39:03, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | How can you possibly suggest that I haven't been reading other comments, when I have quoted most of them. Suggesting a party is immature is suggesting they are childish and should not be participating, someone could quite easily interpret that as a call to ban a party. |
| Date | 18:55:16, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Sensible Strikes Bill |
| Message | >Suggesting a party is immature is suggesting they are childish and should not be participating, someone could quite easily interpret that as a call to ban a party. You say so. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 188 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 213 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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