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Bill: Pension Intervention Bill
Details
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2142
Description[?]:
| The government must ensure that the peasants are also providing for their later life by havoing a state pension, which would be taken out of their wages, and would also be subject to contributions from the persons employer. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: There is a compulsory private pension system.
Current: There is a compulsory private pension system.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:05:49, November 16, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pension Intervention Bill |
| Message | We agree with the proposed mesure. |
| Date | 02:52:54, November 17, 2005 CET | From | United Socialist Front | To | Debating the Pension Intervention Bill |
| Message | We like. |
| Date | 06:17:12, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Moderates | To | Debating the Pension Intervention Bill |
| Message | We refuse to agree to any complusary system of pension. |
| Date | 06:21:31, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Market Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pension Intervention Bill |
| Message | We do not believe the state should control such a system. Look at the wonderful results that has brought us in America and in Germany alike. In America the problem is that the government steals from Social Security when they need money for the military and in Germany there is not enough tax reveneau because there is so much unemployment...which causes the government to raise taxes and thus, create more unemployment. In fact Chancelloress Angela Merkel just raised the national sales tax from 16% to 19%. We a compulsory, private system the government can not steal from the individual mutual funds, bank accounts etc. and we do not need to create a tax system that causes problems such as unemployment. |
| Date | 18:57:59, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Pension Intervention Bill |
| Message | If this is under proper supervision by and independent commission there is no reason to believe a governemnt would abuse this system. Your accusation that a party would steal from this fund is also a slur upon on Aldurian Parties. |
| Date | 21:56:15, November 17, 2005 CET | From | Aldurian Libertarian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Pension Intervention Bill |
| Message | OOC: MSP: In Québec, a great deal of the debt came from borrowed pension money. However the gov. has the obligation to pay back. While its another case of abuse, I think it is possible to institute a public pension system with strict management rules that protect worker from gov interference. Also, if the private company bankrupt, that is a sad thing. |
| Date | 01:13:42, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Jacobites | To | Debating the Pension Intervention Bill |
| Message | Ja, and of course private companies can pilfer from pensions just as much as national governments ooc: as indeed they have |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 166 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 235 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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| Random quote: “Can anyone imagine a more perverse idea than forcing faithful Hosians like me to give away my money to enable irresponsible teenage girls to kill off their children because they were too drunk to use a damn condom?" - Dr. Francesca dos Santos, former Dranian politician |