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Bill: A&L Welfare Bill - Self Determination
Details
Submitted by[?]: Art & Labour
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3093
Description[?]:
| Also known as the welfare waltz. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Current: Child benefit policies are left to local governments.
Proposed: The state does not provide child benefit.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certain period of time.
Proposed: All veterans shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation.
Old value:: There shall be a minimum wage at a level considered a "living wage," well above the poverty line for a full time worker.
Current: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Proposed: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Current: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Proposed: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:16:56, March 17, 2011 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the A&L Welfare Bill - Self Determination |
| Message | Where's the welfare part of the bill? |
| Date | 20:51:27, March 17, 2011 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the A&L Welfare Bill - Self Determination |
| Message | "Bill concerning Welfare".... i.e. removing much of it because those who work hard should not have to pay for the lazy bums who don't. |
| Date | 21:52:52, March 17, 2011 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the A&L Welfare Bill - Self Determination |
| Message | Again, it isnt that simple. OCC: I hope your still OCC a communist. |
| Date | 02:03:28, March 18, 2011 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the A&L Welfare Bill - Self Determination |
| Message | OOC: I am much closer to your party than mine, IRL. I am fully in support of single-payer universal healthcare and welfare programs. State-subsidized housing and basic needs for low income families as well as a Basic Income (Negative Income Tax that is very progressive). I also support the land-value tax to counteract the deleterious effect of land rents. I see the eventual end of human politics when we create an artificial intelligence smarter than we are and begin to automate all manufacturing processes. I believe this will also end the previous necessity of governance, which will result a classless, stateless society. Our ends are the same, our means are slightly different. I consider myself a Georgist Left-Libertarian or Libertarian Socialist. In the past, I was a conservative and my family still is rather conservative.... hence, why I am so well-versed in the conservative propaganda and talking points. |
| Date | 02:04:25, March 18, 2011 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the A&L Welfare Bill - Self Determination |
| Message | result in* |
| Date | 18:35:13, March 18, 2011 CET | From | Art & Labour | To | Debating the A&L Welfare Bill - Self Determination |
| Message | IC: CFP, welfare, and socialist policies in general, is a disincentive for individuals to work for themselves. If you give an individual payouts for merely existing then why should that individual work? Welfare creates more problems than it solves. OOC: See above. I just can't stomach the way welfare is run in the UK. I don't believe welfare is always a bad thing but it really makes me wonder why I bother studying damn hard to get the best grades I can when my college is full of people who just don't care about learning and are there solely to get EMA payments. That and the fact that when teenage girls get pregnant (which is their own damn fault) the state lets them skip the humungous social housing queue and throws every benefit it can at them. And who pays for all this? That's right, those who have done exactly the same thing I'm doing now and who have studied hard, earned a degree and dared get a good wage (which is taxed at 50%). Like I said, welfare is not inherently bad if used properly. But it isn't. |
| Date | 20:47:26, March 20, 2011 CET | From | Marxist-Leninist Party of Ikradon (LL) | To | Debating the A&L Welfare Bill - Self Determination |
| Message | Enjoyment for work. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 256 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 346 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 148 |
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