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Bill: Budget proposal of July 3092
Details
Submitted by[?]: Luthorian Conservative Party 🔵
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3093
Description[?]:
| The Luthorian Independence Party propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Holy Luthori Empire. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 200,000,000 LPD | 100,000,000 LPD | 100,000,000 LPD |
| Foreign Affairs | 2,550,000,000 LPD | 3,500,000,000 LPD | 3,500,000,000 LPD |
| Internal Affairs | 10,000,000,000 LPD | 3,500,000,000 LPD | 9,500,000,000 LPD |
| Finance | 1,500,000,000 LPD | 210,000,000,000 LPD | 210,000,010,000 LPD |
| Defence | 16,500,000,000 LPD | 900,000,000,000 LPD | 600,000,050,000 LPD |
| Justice | 6,000,000,000 LPD | 1,000,000,000 LPD | 9,000,000 LPD |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 12,000,000,000 LPD | 1,000,000,000 LPD | 1,000,000,000 LPD |
| Health and Social Services | 30,000,000,000 LPD | 250,000 LPD | 10,000,000,000 LPD |
| Education and Culture | 12,500,000,000 LPD | 5,000,000,000 LPD | 90,000,000,000 LPD |
| Science and Technology | 3,500,000,000 LPD | 7,500,000 LPD | 8,500,000 LPD |
| Food and Agriculture | 4,900,000,000 LPD | 7,500,000 LPD | 7,500,000 LPD |
| Environment and Tourism | 3,000,000,000 LPD | 0 LPD | 1,200,000 LPD |
| Trade and Industry | 3,500,000,000 LPD | 1,000,000 LPD | 10,000,000 LPD |
| Total | 106,150,000,000 LPD | 1,124,116,250,000 LPD | 924,136,260,000 LPD |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:27:45, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Luthorian Conservative Party 🔵 | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | I want to have a 4 day debate on this bill |
| Date | 04:28:19, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Luthorian Conservative Party 🔵 | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | Revenue 933,095,061,123 LPD Expenses 1,124,116,250,000 LPD Surplus -191,021,188,877 LPD |
| Date | 05:33:17, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Values Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | Mr, Speaker, After Reviewing the LIP Proposed Budget, I must say that I am very impressed with the changes and glad to see a balanced budget on its way. I firmly stand behind this budget and agree that we all can vote on this Bill in the Affirmative in full confidence I Yield. |
| Date | 05:42:34, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Values Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I would also Propose that the LIP shave off 3, 000, 000, 000 from the proposed internal affairs budget and add 2,000,000,000 in the Food and Culture fund, and the remaining 1,000,000,000 in Justice (keeping it the same.) I Yield |
| Date | 05:43:19, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Conservative Values Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I would also Propose that the LIP shave off 3, 000, 000, 000 from the proposed internal affairs budget and add 2,000,000,000 in the Food and Culture fund, and the remaining 1,000,000,000 in Justice (keeping it the same.) I Yield |
| Date | 11:05:45, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | OOC: Okay here goes:the particracy economics component of the game mechanics was never fully implemented in game. Because of that, the only way to achieve sustained economic growth in particracy is to run a deficit. This is why there is £ 210bn in the finance ministry. It's not actually used, its just there to have economic growth. In fact, for in game purposes, we disregard the amount allocated to the finance ministry since its purely for OOC reasons. Indeed, the Luthori Constitution obliges a balanced budget. If you take away the 210bn from finance, you will see that we have a slight budget surplus. IC: Mr Speaker, Health and education are not responsibilities of the Imperial government thus it makes absolutely no sense for them to be funded by it. Furthermore, given the fact that the Luthori Empire has some of the largest colonial holdings of all Terra, the current military budget is absolutely essential to assure the protection of our overseas holdings and the millions of Luthorians who live there. Our defense budget is comparable to that of the other great powers, Greater Hulstria and Zardugal. Therefore, any changes are unnecessary and even potentially dangerous when it comes to defense. I yield. |
| Date | 11:16:52, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | *Professor in economics and Minister of Finance Josephine Gripenwald rises to speak* Mr Speaker As current Minister of Finance are the EAP very interested in cutting government spendings, but it has to be done in a professional way and not run by a barely existing anarchistic party. The EAP is ready to begin a debate about taxes and spendings. But it is a debate which includes the cabinet parties only. The EAP reserves itself from a non-chamber debate in such important matters as economics and the Imperial budget. I yield *EAP chamber members applauds and cheers* |
| Date | 11:57:09, March 19, 2011 CET | From |  Luthorian Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We will support any budget that eradicates the defecit and leaves Luthori with a surplus. I yield. |
| Date | 15:50:10, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | OOC: The current budget has a surplus in case you hadn't seen that. |
| Date | 17:26:55, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Luthorian Conservative Party 🔵 | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | OOC: Surplus -191,021,188,877 LPD there is a - (negative in the front of it and even you should be able to do math. |
| Date | 18:26:37, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Luthorian Democrats | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | OOC: Not in debt was the intended arguement. |
| Date | 18:33:45, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Imperial Aristocratic League | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Any cut to the Defense Department will be met with strong dis-approval from the LPP. We also fully agree with our allies in the EAP. I Yield. |
| Date | 20:11:03, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Constitutionalist Imperial League (IA) | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | OOC: Common guys, I just explained it in the post before that: "OOC: Okay here goes:the particracy economics component of the game mechanics was never fully implemented in game. Because of that, the only way to achieve sustained economic growth in particracy is to run a deficit. This is why there is £ 210bn in the finance ministry. It's not actually used, its just there to have economic growth. In fact, for in game purposes, we disregard the amount allocated to the finance ministry since its purely for OOC reasons. Indeed, the Luthori Constitution obliges a balanced budget. If you take away the 210bn from finance, you will see that we have a slight budget surplus." |
| Date | 21:06:07, March 19, 2011 CET | From | Luthorian Conservative Party 🔵 | To | Debating the Budget proposal of July 3092 |
| Message | OOC: I would like to point out I have been playing this game and for like ever!!!! Everyone nation I have been wanted a budget that works and this one does not. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 37 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 164 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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