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Bill: Flag Honourablity Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Baltusian Pantian Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2144
Description[?]:
| OOC: Im sorry if we have already discussed the subject but im just interested in why people are voting each way on this and etc >.> if already debated tell me and ill just do something with it We in the BPA think that the flag should be the guiding symbol for the people that choose to live within our nation. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National policy regarding the desecration of the national flag.
Old value:: There are no regulations regarding the desecration or use of the national flag.
Current: There are no regulations regarding the desecration or use of the national flag.
Proposed: The national flag may not be desecrated or dishonoured.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:48:53, November 18, 2005 CET | From |  Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | We havent discussed the subject but it is already at vote with the Prog Cons reforms. I think, broadly speaking, it falls under freedom of expression. The desecration of the flag is a political expression of hatred toward the nation. This action would be performed by two groups of people: 1. Foreigners who we have no control over. 2. Morons who don't see the door out of the nation. I personally would suggest that you burn the flag of the political party that you hate, rather than that of the nation, but if you want to, so be it. It just shows you fall under category two. |
| Date | 06:59:22, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | But do we want to show that our people that we will not guard ourself agianst that which openly shows desecration towards us? |
| Date | 09:20:33, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Democratic Socialists | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | Desecration of the flag is a matter of expressing oneself. As the symbol of the nation, it is the ultimate sign of contempt of the nation. If a person feels that the nation is taking policies which no longer make it the nation it was, they might be inclined to burn the flag. If they confuse the nation with the government, and it is one they oppose, they may wish to burn the flag. Either way, it is that person's choice to do so, and not one which we should deny them. It is a weak nation that cannot tolerate dissent, but a strong nation which not merely permits it, but encourages it, for robust debate and active citizenry. |
| Date | 15:59:56, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | Yes but if we are openly accepting free choice of all why do we dissallow our people the choice to have identity cards? |
| Date | 16:21:43, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Revolutionary Socialist Alliance | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | We wholeheartedly agree with the Democratic Socialist's viewpoint. Well said! |
| Date | 20:32:25, November 18, 2005 CET | From | Optimates Party | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | Are we allowed to kick the bejaysus out of morons who desecrate the Flag? I voted with the pro cons on this one and would support this as well. |
| Date | 00:22:06, November 19, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Pantian Alliance | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | Well Optimates we have specialised places where we can give those who would oppose our great nation a little boost of nationalism we work in a two step program catch and convert. |
| Date | 00:42:46, November 19, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | "Yes but if we are openly accepting free choice of all why do we dissallow our people the choice to have identity cards?" Having an identity card is not a right. It was cancelled to save tax aureus. Taxation is a far greater crime (albeit extremely necessary) when compared to the closure of a government program. "Are we allowed to kick the bejaysus out of morons who desecrate the Flag?" =P Let's hope so. And, as usual, the Dem Socs have summed up the point in an entirely correct and eloquent manner. |
| Date | 19:39:06, November 20, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Neo Exsudo Party | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | But isn't the flag of a country the countries spiritual and phycolgical image? If so then wouldn't some one who burnt it be openly attacking the counrty as a whole? If so then wouldn't it make sense to have the ability to punish such people whom by burning the flag he attack Baltusia? OOC: i would personaly hope the punishment is not too severe. |
| Date | 19:40:49, November 20, 2005 CET | From | Baltusian Neo Exsudo Party | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | *Has attacked Baltusia* |
| Date | 01:40:54, November 21, 2005 CET | From | Txurruka/Aperribai/Mayoz's OPX | To | Debating the Flag Honourablity Act |
| Message | No. Simply because if you were flicking through the channels on tv and came across someone burning the flag, would you sit and listen to find out what they stand for or what you just think "Dickhead. Fuck off to Deltaria if you dont like it. Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out" and keep changing channels? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 137 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 205 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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