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Bill: SUCCESSION, 3101
Details
Submitted by[?]: Action Canrillaise
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3103
Description[?]:
| The Government seeks Parliament's approval for the succession of HRH Crown Prince Léopold Frédéric (b. 3064) to the throne of Kanjor. HM Queen Marie Louise-Elisabeth II (b. 3023) has passed at the age of 77. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: Marie Louise-Elisabeth II, Reine de Kanjor
Current:
| Proposed: By the Grace of God, Her Royal Majesty, from the House of Orléans-Vasser, Empress of Canrille, Monarch of Lourenne, Queen of Kanjor, Queen of Alduria, Queen of the Rildanorians, Princess of Hutori and Kazulia, Grand Duchess of Kreshar, Grand Duchess of Silliers, Grand Duchess of Roccato, Grand Duchess of Yodukan, Duchess of Weignad, Duchess of Meriath, Duchess of Audierne, Countess of Valois, Countess of Zanyal, Protector of the Orinco People, Leader of the Order of the Golden Kingdom, Head of the Union of Canrille, Commander of the Royal Armed Forces, Defender of the Constitution and the Realm: Catherine V, represented by the Governor-General: Mélissa Boudier |
Proposed: Léopold Frédéric II, Roi de Kanjor
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:10:55, April 05, 2011 CET | From |  Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | As per our agreement, we expect the KCP to support this. |
| Date | 18:51:07, April 05, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | We will not suppport the continuation of a status quo which abuses the English speaking minority. Further, you didn't support the Privitisation Bill. Margaret Stonemason KCP leader |
| Date | 04:23:43, April 06, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | It no longer matters. Turns out, the Queen is alive! Hoorah! |
| Date | 23:45:17, April 06, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | OOC: You cannot role play that the Queen is alive after suggesting she has been dead for about a year of game time. |
| Date | 01:39:44, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | OOC: You have made it clear that you don't want engage in reasonable roleplay. |
| Date | 02:09:18, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | OOC: How did i make that clear exactly? |
| Date | 03:12:27, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | OOC: To quote Mrs Tatcher: "We won't have a future working relationship, we want different things for Kanjor and it is likely that you will not feature very heavily in the future of Kanjor anyway. Why would we a future working relationship with a party destined for the political wilderness!" |
| Date | 05:29:11, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | OOC: Er that WAS role play, maybe Mrs Stonemason is a little stubborn but that is her character. That doesn't mean you can start ruining the role play when you don't get your way in it. |
| Date | 06:12:40, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | OOC: Remember that this dispute was started by your sudden about face regarding our agreement on succession and administrative reforms. This has indicated to me that you no longer wish to roleplay, especially Thatcher's statements on refusing whatsoever to communicate. |
| Date | 06:18:53, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Union Hosienne-Démocrate (UHD) | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | It seems to us, an outside observer, that the House of Villiers et Orleans-Vasser would not need to pass formal legislation for a new monarch to be chosen. Legislation is only needed as a formality; the head of household of the Royal House is the legitimate heir, AND given that the House is the Royal house of Kanjor, it seems nothing more than a mere formality. If the House makes up the Monarchy, and the head of the house is always the Monarch, than a new head of house is also the Monarch. |
| Date | 12:57:29, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | We are familiar with how a heriditary monarchy works, thank you. I will make moves to have the succession formalised. Thank you for your impartial advice. Margaret Stonemason Chancellor Elect |
| Date | 12:59:54, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | OOC: AK Political leaders sometimes go back on their words, it can be a part of every day life and is quite clearly a legitimate part of role play. Please do not take it personally. I would also ask you not to spoil the role play for everybody else. |
| Date | 15:41:36, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | OOC: From my view, it was you who spoiled roleplay by declaring suddenly that you did not wish to communicate, even if it was declared by your character who is completely controlled by you. How does one react to a statement that states that there is no future working relationship? Of course, if a monarch dies then technically the next in line becomes king. Since the game mechanics does not allow for this to automatically happen, then it requires parliamentary approval, which you have refused. This either means you were against that monarchy or simply refused to roleplay properly. Either way, the succession issue needs to be settled before we return to "legitimate" roleplay. |
| Date | 02:32:20, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | ooc: I was under the impression that given the way the game works we could role play that parliament must approve the succession which doesn't sound too unrealistic given examples in British History such as James I, Charles II, William III & Mary II who were all effectively supported by Parliament. I believe also that George VI had some sort of parliamentary support. My character is completely controlled by me but it is legitimate to say that for the purpose of game dramatics I have made her appear at times difficuilt and the remark about communications was merely a role play slight. |
| Date | 02:34:47, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Kanjoran Conservative Party | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | We at the KCP are ready to support the succession now, we would urge the other parties to support the current Coalition proposal in a bid to return proper government to our nation. We are aware that our party has been obstructive in the past as a means of campaigning for its own beliefs but we feel that given the election result it is fair that we should unite and in a way that gives this nation a KCP led government for this seems to be its will. Long live the King! Margaret Stonemason KCP Leader |
| Date | 15:48:08, April 08, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | The Royal Union CANNOT support a usurper regime. Action Kanjorienne and their monarch are puppets of the IML and illegally overthrown the native House of Angevin! Do not be fooled! They're only purpose is outside control of our nation! We urge the KCP to reconsider their position on this matter. |
| Date | 16:55:48, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | The House of Orleans-Vasser has been on the throne before the Angevins, who are the real usurpers. |
| Date | 18:21:39, April 08, 2011 CET | From | The Royal Union | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | Boo! |
| Date | 20:03:42, April 08, 2011 CET | From | Action Canrillaise | To | Debating the SUCCESSION, 3101 |
| Message | At some point such problems with the throne will have to be settled. We have a common desire to have a monarchy and issues of royal houses should not have to divide us on that point. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 87 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 14 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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