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Bill: Minimum Income Bill -2143-
Details
Submitted by[?]: Capitalizt Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2143
Description[?]:
| The principle of the Minimum Income Bill isn't giving money just because we are all generous and kind. We ain't. Or well, I am not. Its principle is lettling people with no familiar economical support live while he finds a suitable job, but not forever. One year and a half to seek for a job should be enough for all, extendable to three years in low developed zones. Don't let lazy people rely on the system. However, people who can't afford to get a job for psychical or physical problems are exent from the time limit and are benefited with a special pension. They are the only justified. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:55:31, November 19, 2005 CET | From |  Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | Compared to my precedent bill, time limit has been extended by 50%, and by 300% for low developed zones where finding a job is not an... easy job. |
| Date | 16:05:20, November 19, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | If a healthy adult is capable of working, and refuses because the government pays his bills, then they deserve no subsistence. But this is a fair bill. |
| Date | 16:18:56, November 19, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | I know, but since it is not possible to read citizens' minds (well, finding out the lazy adults in a 50.047.053 population would lead to the biggest nonsensed government waste of money), the time limit urges them to find a job. Actual policy: - They don't find a job: They can live - They find a job: They can live (better) Proposed policy: - They don't find a job: They live for 1 and a half year, THEN they a) Live with charity OR b) Die starving - They find a job: They can live |
| Date | 16:25:25, November 19, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | Doesn't work that way though. To use myself as an example, it took me two years to find work. That wasn't through lack of trying nor through lack of qualifications or experience, but it still took me two years to find work. What your bill does is say that "whether you can find work or not, if you go over 1 1/2 years without finding work then you get no money to survive". We would also point out that they only receive an income if there is noone who is capable of supporting them, so the cost to the Government isn't as high as you might believe it to be. |
| Date | 16:28:04, November 19, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | If you wish to remove benefits from those not in work we would recommend it were actually for those who are not in work and not searching for it. This would encourage people to get into work whilst letting those who are trying to be able to survive if they have to wait longer than the year and a half. |
| Date | 16:37:17, November 19, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | That was my point. |
| Date | 14:32:43, November 20, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | How do you know if people is actually looking for a job? |
| Date | 18:56:09, November 20, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | Make them report to employment offices every X weeks, at which point they can also be offered work if unemployed for X amount of time. |
| Date | 20:10:43, November 20, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Minimum Income Bill -2143- |
| Message | Hmm. If ever the law reverts back to its original state, I'll think about it in a future version. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 167 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 127 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 106 |
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