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Bill: Retconning the civil war
Details
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3222
Description[?]:
| This is what I propose: SUNS is the token liberal, spinelessly moderate party which began as a genuine movement for change but more or less was a victim of its own irrelevance. Because they did not have any actual plans to govern, they were startled when they became the de facto opposition. See also: 1990s JSDP, Bloc Quebecoi, Lib-Dems (in real-life Britain.) The newly re-formed Teikoku Shakai-tō then gets the role of the genuine radicals, the ones who picketed throughout the one-party government, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt or the Thaksinists in Thailand or even the Koizumi faction of the LDP in post-1990s Japan. They were never 100% trusted by the military regime and accordingly there were mass disqualifications of candidates in the last two elections. They have only very recently been able to officially stand for office as their own "party" rather than as SUNS members. Even so they only got a single seat in the Kokkai -- enough for a seat at the table, but with quite a bit more popular support than the vote totals suggest. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:10:51, May 28, 2011 CET | From |  Liberty Party | To | Debating the Retconning the civil war |
| Message | Please have revolutionaries from the SUNS blow up limos carrieng Government Officials. |
| Date | 20:13:15, May 31, 2011 CET | From | Mugenkai | To | Debating the Retconning the civil war |
| Message | Okay, this won't really work with the non-participation from the other active Sekowan parties... I'll reiterate that SUNS is a radical democratic movement based on new media, not a militia and certainly not a terrorist organization. The Liberty Party's polite suggestion is therefore not really what we are looking for in this case. |
| Date | 04:50:35, June 01, 2011 CET | From | 帝国公明党 (Teikoku Kōmeitō) | To | Debating the Retconning the civil war |
| Message | Well, which Civil War, we've had 4 of them at my last count. :P Anyways, I prefer to see the TSK as more like the Canadian Liberals or the Swedish Social Democrats, parties that were considered the 'naturally governing party' but have seen losses and been forced into the minority, though I suppose it's probably more like the Liberals than the SDP, given the formers catastrophic losses in the last election. |
| Date | 22:45:32, June 01, 2011 CET | From | Saiken Renmei | To | Debating the Retconning the civil war |
| Message | Yeah, I agree, a civil war would be quite unnecessary. I was thinking that the post-coup Sekowan regime would be a somewhat liberal authoritarian regime, with limited recognition of the opposition provided they aren't a significant threat to the existing power, something like today's Singapore. |
| Date | 10:49:54, June 02, 2011 CET | From | Mugenkai | To | Debating the Retconning the civil war |
| Message | Looks like we are closer to consensus than anyone really wants to suggest on their own. So I am fine with this not having been a civil war. The Tōhōkai restored democracy on schedule as had always been their intention. The original SUNS suspicion of the TSK (meaning the in-character suspicion of political insiders by SUNS activists, back before they were a recognized party) might have been at least partly to blame for the TSK's defeat. If there was any widespread SUNS propaganda campaign, before or after the coup, it would have spooked both of the other parties and thus ultimately delayed the date when the Tōhōkai would have held democratic elections on their own. So in that respect I am willing to be the "bad guy" here, to the extent that SUNS talking about democracy, and practicing learned powerlessness, could easily have exacerbated an already tense situation. One thing that I do want to make sure to retcon is this: We need to understand exactly what happened with the election -- what elections were officially held, which weren't, and who made the call in each case. Was the Tōhōkai unanimously elected or unanimously appointed? That is up to you -- all that I know is that it went from one total monopoly on the Kokkai, to a different monopoly. And then we had the SUNS having a majority by one vote and not doing a thing (hence I call it "learned helplessness.") And then back to a slim Tōhōkai majority until SUNS does something tiny and then comes the huge Tōhōkai majority.that exists today. Those all likely came from elections, but is it okay to assume that the TSK held elections if the Tōhōkai did also? Well, that is for you two to decide. |
| Date | 14:27:35, June 02, 2011 CET | From | Saiken Renmei | To | Debating the Retconning the civil war |
| Message | I'd say that until now that officially the Kokkai was formed exclusively by Tohokai members, which is about to change with the next elections. Parliamentary opposition was only informal, as all who contested elections were obliged to be members of the ruling party. |
| Date | 16:51:58, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Mugenkai | To | Debating the Retconning the civil war |
| Message | Okay, so that is the 3130 elections? I can go with that. Going to have to make up for lost time, and my computer access will be sporadic for a while, but it should be workable at least. (Hoping that the TSK participates too as this will not be a real democracy with only one true active party. But I'm going to do the best I can to stick with it, at any rate.) |
| Date | 17:13:15, June 07, 2011 CET | From | Mugenkai | To | Debating the Retconning the civil war |
| Message | Will bring this to vote after confirmation of the date and after the TSK has agreed, to show consensus for this interpretation of events. I'll also (at that point) edit my one prior bill to reflect the "new reality" of its never having been officially proposed in the legislature. I've edited my two bills never brought to vote to better reflect the SUNS priorities, and left them as one bill to better allow the battle lines to be drawn. (I.e., although I missed the votes on the Tōhōkai's bills, I should really pay for that. TSK should have the chance to vote en bloc on my proposals, since the previous votes have been party-line and the game doesn't really allow for non-partisan politics.) Good all around? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes |
Total Seats: 700 | |
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Jelbic = "Group of cultures with an overall Central Asian/Eurasian steppe theme, using a fictional language developed specifically for Particracy". |
| Random quote: "It is double pleasure to deceive the deceiver." - Niccolo Machiavelli |