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Bill: Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143
Details
Submitted by[?]: Beloved Freedom
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3149
Description[?]:
| We should lower minimum age to vote |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The age at which a person is considered an adult (limited between 12 and 24).
Old value:: 16
Current: 18
Proposed: 12
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:17:00, June 30, 2011 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143 |
| Message | We.. we can't agree to this. 12 year old generally don't and shouldn't have to care about the political process. |
| Date | 01:21:56, June 30, 2011 CET | From | Social Democratic Party (LL) | To | Debating the Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143 |
| Message | We agree on this issue with the USA. It would have worse effects than just 12 year olds voting, too. It would be legal for adults to have sex with 12 year olds, and pornography using 12 year olds would not be considered child pornography (and thus be legal). Child labor laws wouldn't cover 12 year olds. We'd rather see it raised to 18, although maybe voting could be maintained at 16. |
| Date | 01:40:18, June 30, 2011 CET | From | Union Socialism Alliance | To | Debating the Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143 |
| Message | Oh yes, it is for the legal age also |
| Date | 03:28:31, July 03, 2011 CET | From | Beloved Freedom | To | Debating the Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143 |
| Message | There are four countries in Terra, that have lower legal age than us. Beloved Freedom don't think they have a lot of problems. We should enlarge rights of all the people, as much as possible. |
| Date | 14:00:44, July 03, 2011 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143 |
| Message | We strongly feel that only those who are properly educated in the methods of critical thinking should be allowed to be considered adults, with all the responsibility that entails. Lowering the age to 12 from 16 goes against this idea. We cannot vote for this. |
| Date | 19:55:06, July 03, 2011 CET | From | Social Democratic Party (LL) | To | Debating the Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143 |
| Message | We simply think that sex or pornography between an adult pedophile and a 12 year old is a BIG problem. We also think SCI's test idea is reasonable and interesting; but if this is brought to a vote our main problem will be the age of consent (as well as 12 year old laborers). |
| Date | 06:17:11, July 04, 2011 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143 |
| Message | SDMEP, technically, our laws allow for 12 year old laborers, but with greater regulation. |
| Date | 07:17:08, July 04, 2011 CET | From | Social Democratic Party (LL) | To | Debating the Freedom Enlargement of Democracy Amendment of October 3143 |
| Message | We recognize that. We were speaking of the greater regulation not being in place for 12 year old laborers if this were to pass. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 212 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 538 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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