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Bill: Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hutori Moderate Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3161
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance.. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance..
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:39:06, August 02, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Duke Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, the House has already said no to this treaty what? One month ago? No party in the land has said they have changed opinions on the treaty - so this vote is just wasting time in the House. |
| Date | 18:31:36, August 02, 2011 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Mr Speaker I think the HCP is acting like I doesn't care about this parliament and I ask to delete this bill and the health bill because it's impossible that now the parties have changed their minds in less than one month. |
| Date | 21:24:36, August 02, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Duke Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, while i agree with the PCP statements it is the "HMP" who he should be referencing not our party. Just to clear that up. |
| Date | 00:44:54, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Progressive Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Mr Speker I just want to excuse with the HCP because obviously the party I referred wasn't the HCP but the HMP. |
| Date | 09:07:10, August 03, 2011 CET | From |  Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Hector James MP, Prime Minister. Mr Speaker, I remember a time, very recently actually, when the leader of the PCP spoke of supporting better relations with Macon. I sincerely hope that any change in this policy is not related to the scaremongering of the HCP. Hutori is, and will always remain a sovereign nation. What we are proposing is better relations with our neighbours in order to prevent conflict in future. |
| Date | 10:45:31, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Duke Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, we know for a fact that the Macon Union is planning some sort of war. That is why the HCP opposes it, because we have no desire for any war. The Hutori Monarchist Party has been more than - lets say keen - to convince our party to support this and we will refuse. The HMP and Lib Dem government is lying to parliament by stating they are joining the Macon Union to "prevent conflict in future", whenever we know for a hard fact that the Optimates are planning a Macon Union led campaign. |
| Date | 11:31:29, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Hutori Moderate Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Duke Chris Sears MP, Leader of HMP Mr,Townsend who gave you this information about war? |
| Date | 11:39:33, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Duke Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, well it was the member opposites party. In one of the numerous party conversations we have had the pleasure of exchanging with him. I would also, on a separate issue - like to know who made him a "Duke" all of a sudden. Its a title that can only be issued by the King and i see no mention of him in either of the Kings recent Honors Lists - http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=298029. So id tell him to not claim titles he has not yet recieved. |
| Date | 11:44:17, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Hutori Moderate Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Chris Sears MP, Leader of HMP If that was true then why am i asking you about how you got the information? OOC: Didn't know about that duke thing thanks. |
| Date | 11:54:03, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Duke Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, well the address was not signed by the Rt Hon Mr Sears, but we do know this for a fact.I would also say to the party of government that in this House - the Opposition asks the questions and the government answers them! Also, why else would he be so keen to continually ask this House for the ratification of a treaty that we have already rejected. The HMP is totally out of its depth in the Cabinet and they have shown weak leadership from a position of power within Hutori. Mr Speaker, the HMP has been repeatedly bombarded with HMP - lets say messages - some might may say propaganda, to try and convince us to join the Macon Pact. We repeatedly rejected yet here we are - once again voting on the issue we have already voted down. I believe this is a gross abuse of Parliamentary powers regarding treaties and i believe the Foreign Affairs Minister should resign immediately. |
| Date | 12:13:41, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Hutori Moderate Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Chris Sears MP, HMP Leader Mr Speaker, if HCP changed where they got their information then how can we believe them? Also, the reason my party is so keen on joining the Pact is because we are concerned, concerned because we want peace. |
| Date | 12:24:09, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Duke Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, why do the HMP want peace? Are we at war presently? Dont think so. Anyway, this treaty will fail like before and the HCP will now look to the future - rather than waste time on this issues. Also, Mr Speaker, we did not change our answer for the record. In our first answer we said; "it was the member opposites party" All we said second time Mr Speaker, was that; "the address was not signed by the Rt Hon Mr Sears". There are 69 other HMP MP's in this House and the information came from one of them. I think the HMP Leader needs to get a grip and just accept the Macon Union is dead in the water - and Hutori will never be a member! |
| Date | 13:11:50, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Hector James MP, Prime Minister. Mr Speaker, I think the Leader of the Opposition needs to accept that this is not an issue which he can dismiss. If he, or any other member of this House has information that could protect Hutori, I am sure the House and the public would like to hear it. It would be wrong to withold this information from the Government because of political motivations. Mr Speaker, there is no evidence that any war is planned by any member of the Macon Union. |
| Date | 13:49:39, August 03, 2011 CET | From | Hutorian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the Macon Treaty Organization of Friendship, Cooperation, and Mutual Assistance. |
| Message | Rt Hon Duke Townsend MP, Leader of the Opposition, Mr Speaker, what about this evidence then. http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4332#p31673 Mr Speaker, the Likatonian government is quite clearly positioning itself to go to war with Kalopia. This could be the war the Macon Union is planning - but i am unsure. We can never know with the Telamonese. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 237 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 66 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 88 |
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