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Bill: Psalm 96:10-2
Details
Submitted by[?]: Deltarian True Christian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3164
Description[?]:
| "Say among the heathen [that] the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously. Let the heavens rejoice, and let the earth be glad; let the sea roar, and the fulness thereof. Let the field be joyful, and all that [is] therein: then shall all the trees of the wood rejoice." |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Commercial fishing regulation.
Old value:: The government establishes fishing quotas.
Current: Local governments can establish fishing quotas
Proposed: Commercial fishing is completely banned
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning genetically modified (GM) crops.
Old value:: All activities related to production, selling or researching of GM crops are allowed.
Current: All activities related to production, selling or researching of GM crops are allowed.
Proposed: All activities related to production, selling or researching of GM crops are banned.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government regulation of hunting.
Old value:: Hunting and fishing activities are restricted to designated areas and periods.
Current: The matters of hunting and fishing are handled by local governments.
Proposed: Private hunting and fishing practices are banned.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Forest management.
Old value:: There is a national agency which owns all forests, but subcontracts the work to private companies.
Current: There is a national agency which exists side-by-side with commercial forestry companies.
Proposed: There is a national agency which owns and manages all forest land.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:37:17, August 08, 2011 CET | From |  Deltarian Left | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | This bill harms the income of private companies, harming the national revenue and jeopardizing our small national surplus. As long as most Deltarian citizens are capitalists and environmental skeptics, this bill will not gain favor of the people. |
| Date | 15:46:21, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | "Some private companies may lose some income, this is true. But if everyone's dead, it doesn't matter what the profit margin was." |
| Date | 15:56:58, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | Hunting, fishing, contracting forestation, and genetic modification are not going to kill everyone. |
| Date | 16:01:17, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | "We had no idea that the Gladii Party were also claiming to have the gift of prophecy." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 16:17:45, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | What evidence can you show that any or all those will cause human death on a mass scale? |
| Date | 16:20:46, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | "Ah, we have FAITH that all things must move towards their pre-ordained end - but we had no idea that the Gladii Party were similarly grounded in theology." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 16:41:43, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | a. If you ever say my policies are grounded in theology every again I will fly from America to Britain, or wherever Star Wars referencing religious fundamentalists like you live, and punch you in the face. b. Unless a magical fish shows up at one of our ports and announces "Since you were so nice as to ban fishing, I'll tell you how to end poverty and cure several deadly diseases", I fail to see how this bill is going to solve any problems. c. This is a secular country and unless you can demonstrate how faith helps, it is not by itself an acceptable argument. |
| Date | 16:49:18, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | OOC: Before I address the rest, I'm going to take a moment to remind the the person playing the Gladii Party that comments clearly portrayed as 'in character' are in character. "Malik-rabban" believes that the Gladii Party are presenting an argument dangerously close to 'faith' - but I am not Malik-rabban. The out-of-character threats you seem willing to indulge in are not only laughable, but actually - more seriously - very much against the rules of the game. Before you respond further, I suggest you visit the forum, and read this thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=23 |
| Date | 16:52:14, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | I would like to detract statement a, which was a joke and out of character. I apologize. |
| Date | 16:53:35, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | I await your reply to statements b and c. |
| Date | 16:54:15, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | IC: "We believe the comments of the Gladii Party more closely resemble religion than reason. No one should have an absolute conviction about anything, unless they've had some manner of divine revelation. The Gladii Party seem to believe that they can be sure everything will be just fine if we do nothing to deal with our over-fishing, over-hunting, over-cutting, devil-may-care attitude. The Council of Saints lacks THAT faith. Secondly - it doesn't require a magical fish - if we fish out our fish stocks, they are gone - and whatever complicated web of interdependency they were involved in, starts to fall apart. It's only good sense to ensure that we don't accidentally destroy our eco-system. Third point - Deltaria is not a secular country. It's a country that has been ruled by secular parties - that's very different." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 17:03:05, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | I'm not absolutely certain that over-fishing and over-hunting won't occur, nor do I have certainty that it will. What I am certain of is that taking such drastic measures will not only destroy our economy, but damage the ecosystems that have adjusted to hunting and fishing. |
| Date | 17:06:19, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | I'd like to further apologize for that statement, I immediately regretted it after posting it, there was little reason behind it and the joke was not very well explained. |
| Date | 20:38:06, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | OOC: No worries. If I was really upset about it, I'd have reported it, rather than discussing it. IC: We ARE certain that over-hunting and over-fishing will occur, because the only thing that limits such activity is government control. Look what happened before governments started regulating hunting and fishing - human societies massively hunted herds to extinction. Would it destroy our economy to curtail hunting and fishing? No, we don't believe it would - the market would just adjust." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 04:13:46, August 09, 2011 CET | From | Progressive Party | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | "Even though banning GM crops is not in our interest, the Progressive Party feels that fishing and hunting are cruel crimes committed against nature, and we will therefore wage our support for this bill." -Tommy N. Tout (P) Food and Agriculture Policy Adviser |
| Date | 15:17:08, August 09, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the Psalm 96:10-2 |
| Message | "We are gratified by the Progressive Party's pledge of support for this. This is God's work, and we thank the Progressive Party for being God's instruments in this endeavour, even if they are His enemies in other legislation." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 25 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 190 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 157 |
| Random fact: Once approved, players should copy Cultural Protocols into a bill in the debate section of their nation page, under the title of "OOC: Cultural Protocols". This bill should include links to the passed Cultural Protocol bill and the Moderation approval. |
| Random quote: "To punish the oppressors of humanity is clemency; to forgive them is barbarity." - Maximilien Robespierre |