We are working on a brand new version of the game! If you want to stay informed, read our blog and register for our mailing list.
Bill: Bill to Increase Individual Liberty
Details
Submitted by[?]: Common Sense Conservatives
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3214
Description[?]:
| A bill to eliminate pointless, overreaching laws. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Current: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Proposed: The government may not seize private property.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Current: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Proposed: The government has no policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Forest management.
Old value:: There is a national agency which owns and manages all forest land.
Current: There is a national agency which owns and manages all forest land.
Proposed: Local governments may set up forestry agencies. Where they do not, forestry is on a commercial basis.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning gated communities.
Old value:: No gated communities are allowed.
Current: No gated communities are allowed.
Proposed: Both the government and the private sector can set up gated communities.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:10:20, October 20, 2011 CET | From | Sindicato Obrero Libre | To | Debating the Bill to Increase Individual Liberty |
| Message | We can not consent to letting people destroying nature for their personal greed and profit, nor can we allow the creation of segregationist and secluded communities for the rich. Obviously, the first one is something we can never vote for either, because property is not of men, it is collective and for us all. Individuals live and die, but humanity lasts longer. |
| Date | 00:54:44, October 21, 2011 CET | From | Common Sense Conservatives | To | Debating the Bill to Increase Individual Liberty |
| Message | I will not even address your other points until I address the major philosophy behind your last statement. Individuals have property rights. If all property is collective than why is it morally wrong to steal? Can I not take money from you and argue that it is the property of everyone? Why is it right for property that I have EARNED or MADE be the property of everyone? Individuals make up the collective! Furthermore your whole premise is that we must do everything for the collective good. Your argument is that we take forcefully from others and give to someone else is that doing something for the collective, does the collective not also include the rich? The individuals have the choice on whether or not to give their property away it is the whole premise of why stealing is wrong. I want to chose who I give my charity to not someone else. When Eminent Domain is in place it is stealing from someone else! If you concede stealing is wrong than you have proven that we have property rights therefore your argument fails. |
| Date | 01:22:38, October 21, 2011 CET | From | Common Sense Conservatives | To | Debating the Bill to Increase Individual Liberty |
| Message | We are willing to compromise would you agree to a bill that one includes articles 2 and 4? |
| Date | 17:00:21, October 21, 2011 CET | From | Sindicato Obrero Libre | To | Debating the Bill to Increase Individual Liberty |
| Message | The ultimate goal is to have a society with no currency. And the collective does include the rich, and the rich have broader shoulder and should then shoulder the load. The government isn't forcing anyone to anything. We can not force someone to live here, our borders are open and everyone is free to leave anytime they want. The nation of Gaduridos belongs to us all, and it is wrong that a hospital can not be build because one individuals claims that the property is his. We do not believe that individuals should have the right to property, when it may affect the collective community badly. We will be willing to compromise on homes being property of an individual, but that the government may use it, if needed. All currency after taxes, and all commodity and products bought by the individual, or given by the government, are also individual properties. But that is as far as we'll go concerning property rights. Companies, land, farms should all be collectively owned. Natural resources should be collectively owned, as one individual can not declare himself the owner of nature. Capitals should be owned collectively by the workers. In the beginning all property belongs to the Government. The collective government thus can not "steal" something that was their "property" already. We are willing to vote for the proposed compromised. |
| Date | 04:44:26, October 25, 2011 CET | From | Gaduridos Congress for Liberty | To | Debating the Bill to Increase Individual Liberty |
| Message | The Socialism Alliance stands in this Assembly, the seat of the Gaduri state's power, and proposes to do away with currency. It proposes to do away with property rights, the most fundamental of all rights because the very concept of ownership extends to the ownership of the self. And the tragedy is that they speak of what they can not possibly understand. Money is not power, it is a tool of production. Money is not greed, it is wealth. Money is not what makes us evil, it is what makes us exceed our own capabilities. Take money away, and it takes away our humanity, for when money is abolished and each person\'s economic power is thus diminished, it leaves only force and fraud, wargames and brutality. This bill, and the series of other bills that will come after this one and the one's before it, will seek to establish free trade, free people and democracy. The bills will restore these necessities where they have been snuffed out, and will enhance them where they have remained resilient. For the Gaduri Congress and the Conservatives want a peaceful, prosperous and liberated society; for Free Gaduridos wants to live up to its name. It is unconscionable that we might sacrifice these ideals to level with the Socialism Alliance, who has made its position so clear as to make universal agreement utterly and entirely untenable and wholly undesirable. |
| Date | 11:11:03, October 25, 2011 CET | From | Sindicato Obrero Libre | To | Debating the Bill to Increase Individual Liberty |
| Message | The GCL claims that money is a tool of production, that makes us exceed our capabilities and makes us humans? Money was created by humans, it is a creation, and in a capitalist society it exists out of debt, and would need to be paid back with interest, but where does that money comes from, as it doesn't exist? Further more, in a capitalistic society, greed and profit are the driving force behind people, who loses their humanity in favour of money. A social government can not and will not let that happen. Compromises can be found, USA is pretty much open on a heavily regulated economy. With proper regulations in place, and with standards, we are willing to compromise on some economic issues. These people are free, and they've voted for a continuation of the social government. |
subscribe to this discussion - unsubscribe
Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 750 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: The Real-Life Equivalents Index is a valuable resource for finding out the in-game equivalents of real-life cultures, languages, religions, people and places: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6731 |
| Random quote: "It all came from there." - Lech Walesa (pointing to a TV when a reporter asked him why communism fell) |