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Bill: Religion bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: National Thomasian Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2147
Description[?]:
| Although we support the right of religious groups to exist and for people to be able to join religions freely, we believe that to prevent the abuse of our laws by groups who are not acting for any religious motive but are instead driven by the desire of profit and temporal rather than spiritual gain that the following changes to our laws regarding religion are needed. "Religions are required to obtain government approval before promoting themselves or advertising in any manner." This is to make sure that methods such as subliminal messaging, hypnosis, group pressure and other dangerous methods are not used. "Recognized religions are not taxed." Religions must be recognized by the government as trying to obtain a spiritual rather than a temporal gain through tax avoidance. "Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools." This is to prevent the brainwashing of our children by sinister groups. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religions are required to obtain government approval before promoting themselves or advertising in any manner.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: No religions are taxed.
Current: Religious taxation policy is left to the local governments.
Proposed: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Any religion may set up a school, with no regulations.
Current: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Proposed: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:03:06, November 25, 2005 CET | From | Plinio's United Followers | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | Why would a political party or ideology be able to promote themselves without censorship while religions cannot?. All these options are simply attempts of the government to control religion through penalizations to those that it disagrees with. The government simply needs to stop reckognizing a Religion and suddenly they will be treated even worse than a corporation which at least can promote themselves. This veiled censorship is innaceptable. |
| Date | 21:35:04, November 25, 2005 CET | From | Left Socialist Party | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | I agree on this proposition. Altough LSP thinks the best way of getting people out of the hands of sects etc., the increasing grip of self proclaimed religious leaders on society is worrying. This is nothing about censorship, bonafide religions have nothing to fear... If society gives possibilities to religions like not paying taxes etc., society must be capable of setting up the rules about religion too. We will support this bill |
| Date | 15:02:02, November 26, 2005 CET | From | Plinio's United Followers | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | Why do I think this bills has a named and clear target?. This is obviously and attempt by the immimgrant sectors to put an stop to the growing Mordusian pride guided by us PUF. We strongly condemn the proposals in these bills since these are nothing else than political censorship and an attempt to damage a political party who they know, will soon rule a greater and moral Mordusia. |
| Date | 17:41:00, November 26, 2005 CET | From | Country Labor Party | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | We also see this bill as a first big step towards complete government control of religion in Mordusia, which we cannot support at all. We also trust in the intelligence of our citizens to be able to distinguish between a valid religion and a cult. |
| Date | 21:00:55, November 26, 2005 CET | From | Left-Hand Path | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | A cult is only a religion you don't approve of. This bill asks the government to endorse some religions, but not others. This is inherently unfair. |
| Date | 21:16:03, November 26, 2005 CET | From | National Thomasian Party | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | so we should allow cults that steal the money and even the lives of Mordusians? |
| Date | 22:15:52, November 26, 2005 CET | From | Left-Hand Path | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | We have laws against fraud, kidnapping, and murder. All religions contradict each other, most ask for money. Which ones are stealing form their members? You need to face the fact that people have a right to make bad decisions for themselves, like being a Plinialist. Those guys are crazy, but we won't stop them until they endanger others. |
| Date | 23:14:42, November 26, 2005 CET | From | Left Socialist Party | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | Again, I repeat my remarks: GOOD religions, who mean the best for the people and who are honest, have NOTHING to fear, because this bill doesn't concern them. CULTS shall be banned by this bill, and will no longer be capable of making profits on people. |
| Date | 23:16:36, November 26, 2005 CET | From | Left Socialist Party | To | Debating the Religion bill |
| Message | PS: about the L-HP remarking that Plinialists do not harm others: I advise to just look at the horrible role their political representatives play in Mordusia. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 65 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 238 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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