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Bill: Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256
Details
Submitted by[?]: Indralan Conservative Party (保守黨)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3257
Description[?]:
| Bill to propose the legislative abolition of the Indralan Monarchy. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The formal title of the Head of State.
Old value:: His Imperial and Royal Majesty and Holy and Royal Highness, by the Grace of Heaven, Ji Qiu (Courtesy Name: Zhongni, Era Name: Shidang), Holy Emperor of Great Indrala and the Yansheng Dynasty, Heavenly Khagan of Kalistan, Prince of Egelion, Hegemon of Gaduridos, Great King of Jinlian, King of Dalibor, Defender of the Gaduri Gao-Showans, Emperor Above, Son of Heaven, Lord of Ten Thousand Years and of the Present Time
Current: 陛下而皇上，武放勳 (字：堯) ，天子，瑩大磖而蜀朝天王，皇，而帝 (His Imperial and Royal Majesty and Radiant Highness, Wu Fangxun (Courtesy Name: Yao), Son of Heaven, and Heavenly King, Sovereign, and Emperor of Yingdala and the Shu Dynasty)
Proposed: President
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 23:29:28, February 09, 2012 CET | From | Indralan Conservative Party (保守黨) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Clearly there is some demand from the people to discuss this issue. Lets put the whole thing to end with a democratic vote based upon the peoples opinions. I yield. |
| Date | 23:37:47, February 09, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | The RZI suggests the appointment of an advisor to the monarch. A president cannot play the role of a monarch; a president can only represent the people at the national level, which is the highest level. |
| Date | 23:50:23, February 09, 2012 CET | From | Indralan Conservative Party (保守黨) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The RZI clearly wanted a Republic. We are providing a vote on the subject. Lets see the decision, after all they are running the country now - so no doubt they will win. Also could the RZI address the Speaker and yield once finished. Its incredibly rude not to follow proper parliamentary procedure. The government should be setting a good example...instead of the mediocre standards they have shown thus far. I yield. |
| Date | 00:59:59, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | We would prefer a republic to the current system, but we do not have the required majority to pass such a law. All we ask is that the citizens be allowed to directly elect someone to represent the entire nation; at least allow the people to elect an advisor, to the monarch. OOC: If you did this because you think I didn't know I needed a 2/3 supermajority to make certain changes, then you're terribly ignorant, because I already knew. |
| Date | 01:02:39, February 10, 2012 CET | From |  姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The monarch has an advisor. The advisor is the Chancellor, who is directly elected by the people by voting for the political parties. I yield. |
| Date | 01:19:36, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | The chancellor is not "directly elected" by the people. The chancellor is elected by the people, but that election is not direct. |
| Date | 02:12:53, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, First of all, could you please adhere to parliamentary procedure? There are formal rules to this thing. Secondly, yes, the Chancellor is elected by the people. Otherwise, how would he get into office? I yield. |
| Date | 02:22:02, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | There's a difference between "being elected" and "being directly elected" to a post. |
| Date | 02:33:56, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The people vote for a party by casting a vote. That is a direct vote. I yield. |
| Date | 02:37:49, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | That is not a direct vote for the Chancellor. The people elect representatives for their respective regions. There is no directly elected person at the national level. The chancellor is not DIRECTLY elected. Know the difference, or shut the "Heaven's Mandate" up... |
| Date | 03:27:26, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The people of the Chancellor's district directly elect him? I do not see how I was wrong. The people also indirectly elect the rest of the cabinet. I yield. |
| Date | 03:39:31, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | The Chancellor is not elected as "Chancellor" by his own district. Neither the chancellor nor the cabinet are directly elected to such positions; we simply ask that there be a directly-elected position at the national level. |
| Date | 03:58:32, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Chancellor is typically the leader of a party. When people vote for the party leader, so long as the party leader be in the district, then they are essentially voting for the Chancellor. All members of the legislature are directly represented to serve at the national level. I yield. |
| Date | 04:22:22, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Members of the legislature serve at the national level, but each member's representation is at a sub-national level. |
| Date | 04:32:07, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, All peoples vote for their representatives who represent them in this legislature and make the laws in the name of the Holy Emperor for the good of the people. An elected head of state would do nothing. I yield. |
| Date | 04:35:29, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | If you cannot support a compromise, within the monarchy, the RZI will have to rely on a Republican system to make things work. We will vote "yes" on this bill, even though we know it will be defeated. |
| Date | 04:44:03, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, When a compromise does not include the perpetual preservation of the institution of the monarchy, we cannot accept any sort of compromise. Voting yes will forever label your party as a republican party to those who support the monarchy. I yield. |
| Date | 04:48:28, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Our proposal was in support of the monarchy as opposed to Republicanism. The DGD never accepted the compromise. |
| Date | 04:51:25, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Imperial Party never accepted a compromise because there was no compromise. We would give you anything so long as the monarchy would forever be in place, even if your coalition should get a 2/3 constitutional majority. However, you declined that extremely generous offer. Now parties openly commit treason while His Imperial Majesty benevolently allows the treasonous remarks and evil deeds done by the republicans go unpunished, because His Imperial Majesty deeply loves the people He represents. I yield. |
| Date | 04:56:06, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | The monarch couldn't stop the RZI if he wanted to. |
| Date | 05:00:41, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, His Imperial Majesty cannot stop anyone because it is not His place to do so. For the monarch is to love the people and do whatever he can for them. However, I must remind the speaker that there are rules in this legislature that the speaker is clearly not following. In order to be totally taken seriously, one must use "Mr. Speaker" and "I yield" during his or her speech to the legislature. I yield. |
| Date | 05:05:56, February 10, 2012 CET | From | Minzhudang | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker We the MZD stands firm on our position of supporting a Republic.... i state my case. |
| Date | 05:08:23, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Although your words are traitorous, we must accept your opinions and respect them. I yield. |
| Date | 05:10:27, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | The RZI does not readily expect respect from high-nose snobs. Rules? Regulations? That's all the Conservative faction is about: restricting everything that doesn't suit them, because everything must go "one way" and if it's not their way, it can't happen. Nothing is permanent; don't be afraid of change. When change happens, shut up and don't whine. You don't have to take the RZI seriously, just take the laws seriously when we pass them. Of course, this bill will be defeated, but we have a long fight ahead. OOC: Not fight as in anything RP or physical; fight as in more debating. |
| Date | 05:31:05, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Parliamentary procedure is more of a universal act of courtesy that most parties from the left to the right and from the upper and lower parties practice in their respective legislatures. Oh of course, change happens all the time. However, radical change should be curbed. Gradual change, while it cannot be stopped, can be slowed in order to create for a greater transition. Mr. Speaker, would it not be a law to speak out for the removal of the monarch? Will your coalition pass a law that will ban monarchy? Will it pass a law that bans conservatism, tradition, and religion? I yield. |
| Date | 05:57:33, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | We will not ban monarchy. |
| Date | 10:15:28, February 10, 2012 CET | From | Indralan Conservative Party (保守黨) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The Monarch plays a vital role in Indralan society. He is a figurehead for the people, far beyond the capacity of a "president". The RZI would destroy our culture and make us look weak on the international stage and turn Indrala into a boring, bureaucratic, corporate nation. For us, this is unacceptable. The Monarchy makes Indrala what it is, it defines us. Its symbolic nature inspires our people, troops and society. To remove it would undermine the Indralan states legacy and standing. I yield. OOC: "If you did this because you think I didn't know I needed a 2/3 supermajority to make certain changes, then you're terribly ignorant, because I already knew." Now now, calm down...this is a game of opinions. You want a Republic - im offering you a vote on it. Thats how democracy works...and me ignorant? Lets just say thats very hypocritical of you. |
| Date | 12:57:46, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | We proposed an alternative to our demand for a republic; we asked for the direct election of an advisor. |
| Date | 13:17:17, February 10, 2012 CET | From | Indralan Conservative Party (保守黨) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Can the RZI show a little respect for the system. We have asked for them to use the correct, Mr Speaker - and i yield where appropriate. Seems they have no respect for anyone - i doubt they even respect their cronies who they trample and bully constantly. On this issue, what the RZI proposed is essentially a step towards what is proposed here. Once we give in to your demands once, you will know we are open to negotiations on anything. Unfortunately you just lack the persuasive debating skill required for us to accept anything less than the status quo. I yield. |
| Date | 13:49:50, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, What the Honorable speaker from the Conservative Party said was true cocnerning the monarch's symbolism. Not to mention, republics greatly outnumber monarchies in the world. Destroying Indrala's would only make the world far less unique and one among the many. I yield. (OOC: Eliminating every single monarchy would be a horrible idea, just like if every single republic was eliminated. Both forms of government bring variation to the game. Destroying one variant just makes the game dull and boring. There are less chances of conflict and international RP) |
| Date | 14:11:48, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | And again, the point is ignored; we suggested allowing the citizens to directly elect an advisor to the monarch, and you whine about "Republicanism" even though we, the RZI, have suggested an alternative which has nothing to do with breaking monarchy. We are not begging anyone to support the idea, but if you don't support it, you shouldn't whine about the RZI wanting a republic. If we allow the citizens to directly elect an advisor, there is less need for a republic. OOC: We said "yes" to allowing citizens to directly elect an advisor to the monarch; what the duck does that have to do with a republic? When you refuse the idea, it's that time that I will want a republic. There would be less need for a republic if that idea was accepted. All of this is pointless, because no faction has a 2/3 supermajority; it's not like anyone can change anything right now. I'm not going to convince anyone to agree with the republic; when I have the required seats/support, it will happen, without your consent if necessary. |
| Date | 14:18:32, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Is it not official that your party may or may not support the monarchy anyways? According to official documents, the Chancellor is very weary about the subject. So, would it not be in His Imperial Majesty's interests, as well as the interests of the nation, to expose false monarchists and reveal the republicans? Again, my point stands. The Chancellor is the advisor to His Imperial Majesty, along with the rest of the cabinet and this legislative body. We do not want one party to have total control over the Head of State, as it would further polarize the nation towards one extreme or another. A non-political monarch is best. I yield. OOC: Well, I'm sorry that you can't get what you want, but there really is no reason for you to, in your own words, "whine" and "blabber" about it now. Indeed, that is a true statement. I see another one of your friends has joined the game at your request. This is truly a low blow. Even I would never ask real life people to help me out in a game. That is a little...well, not me. |
| Date | 14:23:14, February 10, 2012 CET | From | Indralan Conservative Party (保守黨) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The RZI can do all the posturing it wants. In the end it will not remove the Monarchy. I yield. OOC : On the issue of friends...obviously not "real"friends seeing as how you suppress their thoughts, words and actions. I mean how many more people can you bully into your little scheme here in Indrala? |
| Date | 14:40:28, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | OOC: I don't bully anyone or tell them what to do, so don't get your head twisted inside where you came from, lad. |
| Date | 14:43:53, February 10, 2012 CET | From | Indralan Conservative Party (保守黨) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | OOC : im fairly sure all the death threats towards myself and Liu Che would constitute bullying now... Also what about all this telling us to "shut the hell up" or something along those lines. Unlike your friends we aren't so under your thumb that we will always speak up. And finally...don't start all this lad stuff with me boy. |
| Date | 14:46:41, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 鑫派 / Xīnpài (Xin Faction) | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | OOC: I made no death threats to any user, here... My character has made threatening statements, in the house, to other politicians. I do not bully Pierce or Jeremy... they do what they want to do. |
| Date | 15:04:34, February 10, 2012 CET | From | 姬恩黨 (Jien Faction) 🌄 | To | Debating the Abolition of the Indralan Monarchy Act of 3256 |
| Message | OOC: Sometimes those are confusing, which is another reason why "Mr. Speaker" and "I yield" should be used, as it actually shows that a character is talking, rather than the player talking. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 370 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 353 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 27 |
| Random fact: Particracy has 464 player slots. |
| Random quote: "Politics have no relation to morals." - Niccolo Machiavelli |